1 00:00:13,879 --> 00:00:04,400 right everyone buckle up back there yes 2 00:00:16,550 --> 00:00:13,889 dad welcome to the skeptic zone the 3 00:00:28,170 --> 00:00:16,560 podcast from Australia for science and 4 00:00:34,540 --> 00:00:31,090 hello and welcome to the skeptic zone 5 00:00:38,710 --> 00:00:34,550 episode number 226 for the 16th of 6 00:00:41,620 --> 00:00:38,720 februari 2013 Richard Saunders here with 7 00:00:44,410 --> 00:00:41,630 you from Sydney Australia and yes that 8 00:00:45,910 --> 00:00:44,420 was another little tease for solar flare 9 00:00:48,490 --> 00:00:45,920 at the beginning of the show what is 10 00:00:52,299 --> 00:00:48,500 main are doing with all of us being 11 00:00:53,530 --> 00:00:52,309 buckled up boggles the mind we're going 12 00:00:55,510 --> 00:00:53,540 to kick off today's show with an 13 00:00:57,850 --> 00:00:55,520 interview with a very dear friend of 14 00:01:01,270 --> 00:00:57,860 mine dr. chrissy wilson who was on the 15 00:01:03,700 --> 00:01:01,280 show 0 for 5 weeks ago dr. Chrissy's 16 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:03,710 going to tell us more about her soap 17 00:01:11,710 --> 00:01:07,130 activities soap science of animalistic 18 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:11,720 phenomena and how you can help her 19 00:01:18,580 --> 00:01:14,930 scientific research after that it's 20 00:01:20,380 --> 00:01:18,590 Maynard up in Newcastle which is the 21 00:01:24,330 --> 00:01:20,390 major city just for the north of Sydney 22 00:01:26,590 --> 00:01:24,340 where he attended a science in the pub I 23 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:26,600 think may not likes going to the pub 24 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:28,370 especially when they're skeptics and 25 00:01:33,430 --> 00:01:31,130 scientists involved science in the pub 26 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:33,440 with Maynard getting the reactions from 27 00:01:40,030 --> 00:01:36,410 various pub goers and what they thought 28 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:40,040 of the science in the pub idea then 29 00:01:43,390 --> 00:01:41,690 throughout off the show another dear old 30 00:01:45,790 --> 00:01:43,400 friend of mine dr. Paul Willis who's the 31 00:01:48,490 --> 00:01:45,800 director of the Royal Institution of 32 00:01:51,730 --> 00:01:48,500 Australia in Adelaide bringing science 33 00:01:52,990 --> 00:01:51,740 to people and people to science Paul's 34 00:01:55,350 --> 00:01:53,000 going to tell us about the recent 35 00:01:58,960 --> 00:01:55,360 activities at the Royal Institution and 36 00:02:02,020 --> 00:01:58,970 the latest findings into the extinction 37 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:02,030 of the dinosaurs that's coming up at the 38 00:02:06,490 --> 00:02:04,370 end of the show now let me take this 39 00:02:08,559 --> 00:02:06,500 opportunity to send out a huge 40 00:02:11,350 --> 00:02:08,569 congratulations and all my love and good 41 00:02:13,449 --> 00:02:11,360 wishes to my dear friends Jay and 42 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:13,459 Courtney novella and the wonderful news 43 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:15,410 of the birth of their son Dylan Wow the 44 00:02:20,430 --> 00:02:18,050 pictures look fantastic I can't wait to 45 00:02:23,259 --> 00:02:20,440 meet him I can't wait to meet him 46 00:02:26,979 --> 00:02:23,269 congratulations Jay and Courtney what 47 00:02:29,350 --> 00:02:26,989 wonderful news I was in fact I was part 48 00:02:32,140 --> 00:02:29,360 of the little group gathered at the 49 00:02:35,350 --> 00:02:32,150 sydney opera house Jay when you propose 50 00:02:39,790 --> 00:02:35,360 to Courtney in just before Tam in fact 51 00:02:42,250 --> 00:02:39,800 Tim Australia in 2010 Wow fantastic news 52 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:42,260 and some interesting news for people in 53 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:45,890 Australia especially if you fancy 54 00:02:51,250 --> 00:02:49,130 yourself to be a water diviner can you 55 00:02:53,170 --> 00:02:51,260 find water or gold with the divining rod 56 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:53,180 that's the question Australian skeptics 57 00:02:57,700 --> 00:02:56,330 are asking and we have a challenge the 58 00:02:59,830 --> 00:02:57,710 challenge will be held at MIT emitter 59 00:03:03,520 --> 00:02:59,840 Victoria on the tenth of March this year 60 00:03:08,770 --> 00:03:03,530 2013 so we're asking for water diviners 61 00:03:10,540 --> 00:03:08,780 to come along have a go test your skills 62 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:10,550 and who knows you might be up for our 63 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:13,330 prize money of I think it's looking like 64 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:17,570 110 thousand dollars at the moment now 65 00:03:21,460 --> 00:03:18,890 mid emitter is a wonderful little 66 00:03:23,830 --> 00:03:21,470 country town and the water divining 67 00:03:26,710 --> 00:03:23,840 tests going to be part of the mighty 68 00:03:30,970 --> 00:03:26,720 meter master and midam it is not too far 69 00:03:33,340 --> 00:03:30,980 outside of the Albury Wodonga area so if 70 00:03:37,060 --> 00:03:33,350 you are awarded a vaina or you know what 71 00:03:44,140 --> 00:03:37,070 a diviner contact laurie smith and his 72 00:03:53,350 --> 00:03:44,150 phone number is zero to 60 7 2 3 4 15 or 73 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:53,360 email him at CA ll a G H a NS 1 at gmail 74 00:04:00,010 --> 00:03:56,690 com find out some more information turn 75 00:04:01,870 --> 00:04:00,020 up on the day on the tenth of March 2013 76 00:04:05,130 --> 00:04:01,880 at millimeter take part in the 77 00:04:08,140 --> 00:04:05,140 Australian skeptics water divining 78 00:04:10,420 --> 00:04:08,150 challenge well my voice running out the 79 00:04:12,070 --> 00:04:10,430 door I don't know why must be all that 80 00:04:14,949 --> 00:04:12,080 singing and yelling I been doing lately 81 00:04:18,190 --> 00:04:14,959 I think I'll run downstairs have a nice 82 00:04:35,939 --> 00:04:18,200 glass of peppermint tea while you enjoy 83 00:04:42,730 --> 00:04:40,330 hello my name is dr. Kris e wilson and i 84 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:42,740 am a lecturer in psychology here at 85 00:04:48,070 --> 00:04:44,690 charles sturt university of the 86 00:04:50,170 --> 00:04:48,080 beautiful albury-wodonga campus my area 87 00:04:52,150 --> 00:04:50,180 of expertise is known as animalistic 88 00:04:54,550 --> 00:04:52,160 psychology which I bet most of you 89 00:04:56,939 --> 00:04:54,560 haven't heard of but I'm sure you'll 90 00:04:58,680 --> 00:04:56,949 have heard of parapsychology 91 00:05:01,030 --> 00:04:58,690 parapsychology tends to be very 92 00:05:03,490 --> 00:05:01,040 sympathetic towards claims of the 93 00:05:06,340 --> 00:05:03,500 paranormal towards claims of psychic 94 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:06,350 forces and related phenomena whereas 95 00:05:11,710 --> 00:05:08,930 animalistic psychology is far more 96 00:05:14,170 --> 00:05:11,720 skeptical in its approach tending rather 97 00:05:17,140 --> 00:05:14,180 to look for psychological and in some 98 00:05:19,060 --> 00:05:17,150 cases physiological reasons why some 99 00:05:22,450 --> 00:05:19,070 people believe in weird and wonderful 100 00:05:24,610 --> 00:05:22,460 things essentially what I'm trying to do 101 00:05:29,260 --> 00:05:24,620 is to try and understand the psychology 102 00:05:32,469 --> 00:05:29,270 of belief earlier this year I set up a 103 00:05:34,540 --> 00:05:32,479 brand new research unit here at CSU 104 00:05:39,190 --> 00:05:34,550 called the science of animalistic 105 00:05:41,980 --> 00:05:39,200 phenomena or soap soaps aim is to 106 00:05:44,379 --> 00:05:41,990 investigate a psychology of belief to 107 00:05:46,719 --> 00:05:44,389 explore some of those reasons why people 108 00:05:48,490 --> 00:05:46,729 believe in weird and wonderful things to 109 00:05:50,980 --> 00:05:48,500 look at individual difference measures 110 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:50,990 to look at biological factors to look at 111 00:05:56,490 --> 00:05:53,330 the role of cognition not only in belief 112 00:06:00,580 --> 00:05:56,500 but to explore the nature of ostensibly 113 00:06:02,469 --> 00:06:00,590 paranormal experiences so thanks for 114 00:06:04,060 --> 00:06:02,479 logging on to the soap website today I 115 00:06:05,890 --> 00:06:04,070 hope you'll find some fun and 116 00:06:08,290 --> 00:06:05,900 interesting information for you to look 117 00:06:10,510 --> 00:06:08,300 at you can check out who the members of 118 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:10,520 soap are you can find out what kind of 119 00:06:14,650 --> 00:06:12,289 activities and what kind of studies 120 00:06:16,420 --> 00:06:14,660 we're running here you can also look at 121 00:06:19,210 --> 00:06:16,430 some interesting publications that I've 122 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:19,220 uploaded for you interesting articles on 123 00:06:23,290 --> 00:06:21,410 all kinds of information about the 124 00:06:26,140 --> 00:06:23,300 psychology of belief and related 125 00:06:28,150 --> 00:06:26,150 phenomena most importantly though I'd 126 00:06:30,820 --> 00:06:28,160 like you to have a look at our research 127 00:06:32,890 --> 00:06:30,830 participation if you'd like to take part 128 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:32,900 in any of our studies simply follow the 129 00:06:37,060 --> 00:06:35,330 links it'll only take about 15 or 20 130 00:06:37,719 --> 00:06:37,070 minutes for you to complete one of our 131 00:06:39,879 --> 00:06:37,729 survey 132 00:06:41,379 --> 00:06:39,889 I hope you have fun with it and thanks 133 00:06:50,379 --> 00:06:41,389 very much for logging on today and 134 00:06:52,749 --> 00:06:50,389 welcome to soap and joining me now from 135 00:06:54,339 --> 00:06:52,759 the beautiful city of Aubree in southern 136 00:06:57,790 --> 00:06:54,349 New South Wales right on the border of 137 00:07:00,549 --> 00:06:57,800 Victoria it's dr. Chrissy Wilson hello 138 00:07:02,499 --> 00:07:00,559 Chrissy hello Richard hello listeners 139 00:07:04,239 --> 00:07:02,509 well it's great to catch up with you 140 00:07:06,070 --> 00:07:04,249 again Chrissy in fact I had a wonderful 141 00:07:10,119 --> 00:07:06,080 time about a year ago when i went down 142 00:07:12,129 --> 00:07:10,129 to albury there to help you launch soap 143 00:07:14,679 --> 00:07:12,139 now can you remind our listeners all 144 00:07:17,439 --> 00:07:14,689 about soap well I can't believe it's 145 00:07:19,570 --> 00:07:17,449 actually been a whole year since since 146 00:07:22,329 --> 00:07:19,580 we launched soap but yes to remind 147 00:07:25,389 --> 00:07:22,339 listeners um so stands for the science 148 00:07:27,610 --> 00:07:25,399 of animalistic phenomena and as you know 149 00:07:30,219 --> 00:07:27,620 Richard since I arrived in Australia 150 00:07:32,110 --> 00:07:30,229 about five years ago that I wanted to 151 00:07:35,769 --> 00:07:32,120 set up my own unit because although 152 00:07:38,079 --> 00:07:35,779 although skepticism is is is alive and 153 00:07:40,510 --> 00:07:38,089 very very well and very very active in 154 00:07:44,679 --> 00:07:40,520 Australia we don't have in Australia a 155 00:07:47,019 --> 00:07:44,689 sort of academic base for investigations 156 00:07:49,389 --> 00:07:47,029 into the paranormal and the psychology 157 00:07:51,459 --> 00:07:49,399 of belief so that's and we do in Europe 158 00:07:53,889 --> 00:07:51,469 pc and in america but we don't really 159 00:07:58,209 --> 00:07:53,899 have that here in australia so when i 160 00:07:59,829 --> 00:07:58,219 arrived um it's been my my wish to do 161 00:08:01,869 --> 00:07:59,839 that my vision if you like to get that 162 00:08:03,639 --> 00:08:01,879 settled and now that i'm settled at 163 00:08:05,860 --> 00:08:03,649 charles sturt university here in aubrey 164 00:08:07,809 --> 00:08:05,870 they've been really supportive and so 165 00:08:09,549 --> 00:08:07,819 they've allowed me to set up the the 166 00:08:12,189 --> 00:08:09,559 unit here it's part of the school of 167 00:08:14,350 --> 00:08:12,199 psychology it's called soap science of a 168 00:08:18,189 --> 00:08:14,360 normal istic phenomena and and it's 169 00:08:21,339 --> 00:08:18,199 basically investigating the science of 170 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:21,349 belief why do people believe in weird 171 00:08:27,010 --> 00:08:24,050 and wonderful things not only in their 172 00:08:30,670 --> 00:08:27,020 beliefs but in their experiences and I 173 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:30,680 say this a lot that I'm I'm not a 174 00:08:34,959 --> 00:08:33,050 parapsychologist as you know I am NOT 175 00:08:37,449 --> 00:08:34,969 trying to prove where the psychic 176 00:08:40,300 --> 00:08:37,459 phenomena is real or is not real what 177 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:40,310 I'm interested in is why people believe 178 00:08:46,179 --> 00:08:43,130 in these things where do their beliefs 179 00:08:48,590 --> 00:08:46,189 begin how are they maintained what types 180 00:08:50,689 --> 00:08:48,600 of experiences that people have and 181 00:08:52,430 --> 00:08:50,699 is it possible that there are some of us 182 00:08:54,620 --> 00:08:52,440 that are more susceptible to believing 183 00:08:57,110 --> 00:08:54,630 in these types of extraordinary 184 00:09:01,340 --> 00:08:57,120 phenomena so that's that was my aim and 185 00:09:03,710 --> 00:09:01,350 a year ago we had the launch as you know 186 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:03,720 and you came down and gave a wonderful 187 00:09:08,259 --> 00:09:05,130 demonstration and we had a little talk 188 00:09:12,530 --> 00:09:08,269 and we had a little debate amongst the 189 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:12,540 audience and the main purpose of that 190 00:09:17,389 --> 00:09:14,970 launch was one to have this kind of 191 00:09:19,579 --> 00:09:17,399 symbolic launch which was was important 192 00:09:22,009 --> 00:09:19,589 and also to get the media interest but 193 00:09:25,249 --> 00:09:22,019 it was also to recruit participants 194 00:09:28,220 --> 00:09:25,259 because i want the local rural community 195 00:09:30,410 --> 00:09:28,230 to take part in the studies believers 196 00:09:32,150 --> 00:09:30,420 and non-believers and all points in 197 00:09:33,199 --> 00:09:32,160 between so because that's what we're 198 00:09:35,210 --> 00:09:33,209 looking for we're looking for 199 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:35,220 similarities and differences so i won't 200 00:09:39,410 --> 00:09:36,810 believers non-believers and everybody in 201 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:39,420 between so from that point of view it 202 00:09:43,999 --> 00:09:41,850 was very successful yeah i've now got a 203 00:09:48,230 --> 00:09:44,009 database of participants probably about 204 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:48,240 90 people from lot different areas not 205 00:09:52,910 --> 00:09:50,970 not just in in the albury New South 206 00:09:54,620 --> 00:09:52,920 Wales region but across Australia are 207 00:09:56,689 --> 00:09:54,630 actually people that have heard about so 208 00:09:59,660 --> 00:09:56,699 by the through Twitter or three yourself 209 00:10:02,870 --> 00:09:59,670 or through websites etc so in its 210 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:02,880 growing it takes a while like everything 211 00:10:06,740 --> 00:10:05,130 else you know it takes a while lots of 212 00:10:09,319 --> 00:10:06,750 hard work but but we're definitely 213 00:10:12,259 --> 00:10:09,329 getting there so it's very exciting it 214 00:10:14,059 --> 00:10:12,269 is and you were our guest on the 215 00:10:15,379 --> 00:10:14,069 skeptics Island Oh only a couple of 216 00:10:17,780 --> 00:10:15,389 weeks ago may three or four weeks ago 217 00:10:20,179 --> 00:10:17,790 when you were chatting to Maynard about 218 00:10:21,829 --> 00:10:20,189 some of the things you get up to and I 219 00:10:24,139 --> 00:10:21,839 particularly will remember that you went 220 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:24,149 to see a certain shall we say a certain 221 00:10:30,050 --> 00:10:26,850 psychic who who you are less than 222 00:10:34,220 --> 00:10:30,060 impressed with and stood up and made 223 00:10:36,889 --> 00:10:34,230 your views known yeah you could say that 224 00:10:40,460 --> 00:10:36,899 um don't really want to reveal the chaps 225 00:10:43,759 --> 00:10:40,470 net earth person's name but let's just 226 00:10:46,519 --> 00:10:43,769 say that he wasn't exactly Australia's 227 00:10:49,730 --> 00:10:46,529 number one I'd say it was more like 228 00:10:51,499 --> 00:10:49,740 Australia's biggest number two Oh Deary 229 00:10:53,689 --> 00:10:51,509 me I wouldn't I wonder what that could 230 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:53,699 mean oh well you know when you're number 231 00:10:58,189 --> 00:10:55,290 two you always try harder to be number 232 00:11:00,350 --> 00:10:58,199 one don't you that's the well he was 233 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:00,360 certainly trying i'll give you the 234 00:11:04,220 --> 00:11:02,730 and the point the point i'll get to is 235 00:11:06,050 --> 00:11:04,230 that no matter who it is and of course 236 00:11:08,690 --> 00:11:06,060 I've seen many of these people over the 237 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:08,700 years of various stage shows and one of 238 00:11:12,680 --> 00:11:10,890 my bugbears one of the things I think is 239 00:11:16,610 --> 00:11:12,690 a great pity is often I'll go and see 240 00:11:18,769 --> 00:11:16,620 these performers at what we call our RSL 241 00:11:21,350 --> 00:11:18,779 club which is a club devoted to the 242 00:11:25,190 --> 00:11:21,360 memory of fallen soldiers and returned 243 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:25,200 soldiers you know yes particularly after 244 00:11:30,380 --> 00:11:26,850 World War two but every war since then 245 00:11:33,079 --> 00:11:30,390 and to have these performers go to these 246 00:11:35,509 --> 00:11:33,089 clubs which are dedicated to the solemn 247 00:11:37,940 --> 00:11:35,519 memory of fallen soldiers and then to 248 00:11:41,509 --> 00:11:37,950 pretend to chat to dead people I always 249 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:41,519 thought was really really really bad 250 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:43,050 taste so if anybody's listening out 251 00:11:48,170 --> 00:11:44,490 there involved with the RSL club 252 00:11:50,620 --> 00:11:48,180 movement that you know I'm not very 253 00:11:54,710 --> 00:11:50,630 impressed with that at all no it's um 254 00:11:57,800 --> 00:11:54,720 you know I i try to be an open minded 255 00:12:01,040 --> 00:11:57,810 objective social scientist in all that i 256 00:12:02,300 --> 00:12:01,050 do i tried to keep emotion out of it 257 00:12:03,980 --> 00:12:02,310 because the minute you start to get 258 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:03,990 emotional about things then you lose 259 00:12:10,100 --> 00:12:07,290 your sense of a probe of proportion you 260 00:12:11,329 --> 00:12:10,110 you you become bias in your view and as 261 00:12:13,519 --> 00:12:11,339 you know in science we have to be 262 00:12:17,420 --> 00:12:13,529 objective but this is the one thing that 263 00:12:19,189 --> 00:12:17,430 that really gets me very very cross to 264 00:12:23,030 --> 00:12:19,199 sit in the audience and to watch this 265 00:12:25,220 --> 00:12:23,040 clown on the stage spouting complete 266 00:12:27,829 --> 00:12:25,230 nonsense while there's a poor woman in 267 00:12:30,560 --> 00:12:27,839 the audience crying sobbing a little 268 00:12:33,949 --> 00:12:30,570 heart out because she believes that this 269 00:12:36,530 --> 00:12:33,959 idiot is talking to the spirit of her 270 00:12:39,620 --> 00:12:36,540 dead husband or a dead child it's it's 271 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:39,630 it's just it's so objectionable to watch 272 00:12:45,650 --> 00:12:43,010 and I find it very very distressing and 273 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:45,660 yet when I went to see the certain 274 00:12:51,500 --> 00:12:49,130 person who came to the Aubrey 275 00:12:54,380 --> 00:12:51,510 entertainment center yes we do have an 276 00:12:58,250 --> 00:12:54,390 entertainment center that's not on thick 277 00:13:00,050 --> 00:12:58,260 thick term and you know I was I was 278 00:13:03,199 --> 00:13:00,060 looking forward to it although I 279 00:13:05,449 --> 00:13:03,209 couldn't wait to watch and to see what 280 00:13:08,870 --> 00:13:05,459 what he got up to I knew it was going to 281 00:13:12,139 --> 00:13:08,880 be I knew ya how more when you and I go 282 00:13:14,329 --> 00:13:12,149 and see something like this not to 283 00:13:16,579 --> 00:13:14,339 demean the average skeptic out there but 284 00:13:19,429 --> 00:13:16,589 think that I'm right in saying that you 285 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:19,439 and I and some other skeptics I've had a 286 00:13:25,100 --> 00:13:22,410 particular backlog of experience in 287 00:13:28,970 --> 00:13:25,110 watching these people so we're able to 288 00:13:30,860 --> 00:13:28,980 with our experience know and recognize 289 00:13:33,350 --> 00:13:30,870 and see certain techniques and 290 00:13:35,809 --> 00:13:33,360 psychological tricks being used oh yeah 291 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:35,819 and this guy I'll give him his due and 292 00:13:42,499 --> 00:13:39,410 he's very clever he knows exactly how to 293 00:13:45,350 --> 00:13:42,509 manipulate the audience he has all the 294 00:13:47,449 --> 00:13:45,360 tricks he doesn't cold read Richard he 295 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:47,459 doesn't need to cold read he just stands 296 00:13:52,730 --> 00:13:50,850 there and and make suggestions yeah and 297 00:13:55,549 --> 00:13:52,740 then of course the audience just give 298 00:13:58,220 --> 00:13:55,559 him as always just give him all the 299 00:14:00,170 --> 00:13:58,230 material yeah he doesn't actually cold 300 00:14:02,989 --> 00:14:00,180 read he's not he's not even good enough 301 00:14:05,660 --> 00:14:02,999 to do that and then they don't have to 302 00:14:08,239 --> 00:14:05,670 be today no no because the audience are 303 00:14:11,540 --> 00:14:08,249 primed the pre-sold yeah yeah this 304 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:11,550 character what he does also is he he has 305 00:14:16,519 --> 00:14:14,610 a VIP session that's what he calls on 306 00:14:19,730 --> 00:14:16,529 his website come along and meet me in 307 00:14:22,759 --> 00:14:19,740 the VIP session before the actual show 308 00:14:25,100 --> 00:14:22,769 so he gets a bunts a bunch of his fans 309 00:14:27,799 --> 00:14:25,110 they all trot along and and apparently 310 00:14:30,949 --> 00:14:27,809 there was about 25 of them but this VIP 311 00:14:33,230 --> 00:14:30,959 session they sit there and then he he 312 00:14:34,970 --> 00:14:33,240 chats to them you know and he disclosed 313 00:14:36,710 --> 00:14:34,980 his personal information about himself 314 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:36,720 so well you know this is what happened 315 00:14:39,949 --> 00:14:38,490 to me this is how i became a psychic 316 00:14:42,829 --> 00:14:39,959 this is how I discovered you know that I 317 00:14:46,730 --> 00:14:42,839 had this gift and and he just chats to 318 00:14:48,590 --> 00:14:46,740 the audience and naturally these the 319 00:14:50,749 --> 00:14:48,600 people open up and they give him all 320 00:14:54,679 --> 00:14:50,759 sorts of information about the area 321 00:14:56,869 --> 00:14:54,689 about them personally so he's got all 322 00:14:59,629 --> 00:14:56,879 kinds of material there so during the 323 00:15:02,179 --> 00:14:59,639 show if it all goes a bit quiet if it 324 00:15:05,449 --> 00:15:02,189 doesn't go to plan he's got this wealth 325 00:15:08,900 --> 00:15:05,459 of material that he's collected just an 326 00:15:11,749 --> 00:15:08,910 hour before that he he can use oh well 327 00:15:13,610 --> 00:15:11,759 I'm getting getting a suicide you know 328 00:15:16,069 --> 00:15:13,620 like look you know this is rural New 329 00:15:19,309 --> 00:15:16,079 South Wales unfortunately suicide is a 330 00:15:21,650 --> 00:15:19,319 is a an issue here so that that was the 331 00:15:23,539 --> 00:15:21,660 very first thing he did I think what I 332 00:15:25,970 --> 00:15:23,549 think I'd twittered it actually I bet he 333 00:15:27,639 --> 00:15:25,980 does a suicide in a man in uniform yeah 334 00:15:30,129 --> 00:15:27,649 star for now the very 335 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:30,139 first one he did was a suicide dear 336 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:37,610 there was steam well you got to extend 337 00:15:42,549 --> 00:15:39,490 that you actually stood up and 338 00:15:45,790 --> 00:15:42,559 challenged him it's something I i I've 339 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:45,800 been tempted to do quite a few times the 340 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:49,730 the worst time was when and I've written 341 00:15:53,739 --> 00:15:51,290 about this many years ago it was a 342 00:15:56,319 --> 00:15:53,749 psychic by the name of the amazing 343 00:15:58,329 --> 00:15:56,329 valdir suggested to the audience that 344 00:16:01,629 --> 00:15:58,339 the dead from 9-11 were running around 345 00:16:03,369 --> 00:16:01,639 the auditorium it's the one time I had I 346 00:16:05,549 --> 00:16:03,379 gripped the handles of my chair to stop 347 00:16:08,199 --> 00:16:05,559 myself standing up because I wanted to 348 00:16:10,660 --> 00:16:08,209 do a whole routine then i could write 349 00:16:14,019 --> 00:16:10,670 about it which i did but one day you 350 00:16:15,879 --> 00:16:14,029 know one day I might say the hell with 351 00:16:19,989 --> 00:16:15,889 it stand up and Blass one of these 352 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:19,999 people but yeah do any good very good it 353 00:16:25,239 --> 00:16:21,850 doesn't is it and someone said to me 354 00:16:28,059 --> 00:16:25,249 previously if you challenge these people 355 00:16:29,949 --> 00:16:28,069 in front of their followers all you're 356 00:16:31,900 --> 00:16:29,959 doing is you're making a martyr out of 357 00:16:33,819 --> 00:16:31,910 them and this is exactly what happened 358 00:16:35,860 --> 00:16:33,829 everybody in your just screaming at me 359 00:16:39,009 --> 00:16:35,870 I'll sit down why did you come get lost 360 00:16:40,869 --> 00:16:39,019 get out of here trash you know and I 361 00:16:42,910 --> 00:16:40,879 turned to them and I said what I don't 362 00:16:45,069 --> 00:16:42,920 you want to know don't you want to know 363 00:16:47,619 --> 00:16:45,079 if you're being formed don't you want to 364 00:16:50,590 --> 00:16:47,629 know if you're just having the Mickey 365 00:16:56,910 --> 00:16:50,600 taken out of you yeah and for a split 366 00:17:00,220 --> 00:16:56,920 second you know they seem to think no no 367 00:17:01,869 --> 00:17:00,230 but at the end of it several people came 368 00:17:03,489 --> 00:17:01,879 up to me afterwards and I thought oh 369 00:17:05,439 --> 00:17:03,499 here we go I'm going to get thumped at 370 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:05,449 the very least but they just asked me 371 00:17:10,569 --> 00:17:07,490 questions I wanted to know where why are 372 00:17:12,939 --> 00:17:10,579 you so sure that this is not real you 373 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:12,949 know said there was seeds of doubt in 374 00:17:18,639 --> 00:17:15,770 some of their minds for sure but like I 375 00:17:21,850 --> 00:17:18,649 said for the majority of the audience um 376 00:17:23,919 --> 00:17:21,860 I was just making him into a martyr and 377 00:17:26,350 --> 00:17:23,929 then of course he he stood there and he 378 00:17:28,510 --> 00:17:26,360 said oh don't worry ladies gentlemen you 379 00:17:30,310 --> 00:17:28,520 know I'm used to this kind of criticism 380 00:17:33,460 --> 00:17:30,320 you know it's just it just comes with 381 00:17:35,019 --> 00:17:33,470 the territory i'm afraid you know really 382 00:17:36,700 --> 00:17:35,029 i find that i find that hard to believe 383 00:17:40,299 --> 00:17:36,710 i think he would very rarely get any 384 00:17:40,799 --> 00:17:40,309 criticism at all uh well uh eighteen 385 00:17:44,249 --> 00:17:40,809 years 386 00:17:47,159 --> 00:17:44,259 he knew perfectly well that there was 387 00:17:50,039 --> 00:17:47,169 nothing that I could say that would turn 388 00:17:52,799 --> 00:17:50,049 the oil against him and and his his 389 00:17:55,289 --> 00:17:52,809 management were very very switched on as 390 00:17:57,330 --> 00:17:55,299 well they knew exactly how to handle the 391 00:17:59,730 --> 00:17:57,340 situation they were very switched on a 392 00:18:02,039 --> 00:17:59,740 name I've looked them up on the internet 393 00:18:05,129 --> 00:18:02,049 and they they manage a lot of psychics 394 00:18:06,989 --> 00:18:05,139 alleged psychic yeah interesting well 395 00:18:09,570 --> 00:18:06,999 this is let's get back to soap because 396 00:18:13,169 --> 00:18:09,580 this is all ties in and the reason you 397 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:13,179 go along and see is to observe the the 398 00:18:18,869 --> 00:18:15,490 the performer in action that shall we 399 00:18:20,700 --> 00:18:18,879 say but also the experience you get from 400 00:18:22,470 --> 00:18:20,710 your interaction of the audience's I 401 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:22,480 think would be invaluable research for 402 00:18:27,539 --> 00:18:24,850 your soap activities yeah absolutely i 403 00:18:30,330 --> 00:18:27,549 mean i am oh yes i'm a skeptic but i am 404 00:18:33,509 --> 00:18:30,340 a psychologist so the whole psychology 405 00:18:37,859 --> 00:18:33,519 of the situation is is fascinating for 406 00:18:39,239 --> 00:18:37,869 me you know how an it the more i look at 407 00:18:40,619 --> 00:18:39,249 this and the more i study and 408 00:18:43,019 --> 00:18:40,629 investigate these things the more i 409 00:18:47,100 --> 00:18:43,029 realize that it has nothing to do with 410 00:18:51,629 --> 00:18:47,110 age gender social economic background 411 00:18:54,989 --> 00:18:51,639 education intelligence you know so many 412 00:18:58,830 --> 00:18:54,999 of us believe in something which is 413 00:19:03,869 --> 00:18:58,840 probably not real you know it's it we're 414 00:19:06,989 --> 00:19:03,879 all susceptible to being influenced by 415 00:19:10,619 --> 00:19:06,999 our own prejudices if you like we're 416 00:19:13,980 --> 00:19:10,629 also susceptible to these things so yet 417 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:13,990 that certainly it does fuel my research 418 00:19:17,759 --> 00:19:15,850 with without the shadow of a doubt you 419 00:19:20,609 --> 00:19:17,769 know what what psychological processes 420 00:19:22,950 --> 00:19:20,619 are going on there and what draws 421 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:22,960 certain individuals to these types of 422 00:19:27,330 --> 00:19:24,490 beliefs and how are these beliefs 423 00:19:30,210 --> 00:19:27,340 maintained and I'm not a clinical 424 00:19:33,269 --> 00:19:30,220 psychologist and that's that's a 425 00:19:36,090 --> 00:19:33,279 separate field so I don't specifically 426 00:19:37,590 --> 00:19:36,100 look at psychopathology and really I 427 00:19:40,019 --> 00:19:37,600 mean that's not what we're talking about 428 00:19:41,450 --> 00:19:40,029 here anyway you know and people that 429 00:19:43,230 --> 00:19:41,460 believe that are not necessarily 430 00:19:44,639 --> 00:19:43,240 suffering from some kind of mental 431 00:19:46,470 --> 00:19:44,649 disorder that's what I'm trying to say 432 00:19:48,779 --> 00:19:46,480 that you know we're all susceptible to 433 00:19:52,409 --> 00:19:48,789 these things and to some extent we all 434 00:19:54,090 --> 00:19:52,419 believe in something so yeah so most of 435 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:54,100 the studies that were coming out at the 436 00:19:58,049 --> 00:19:54,490 moment 437 00:20:00,930 --> 00:19:58,059 and are mostly questionnaire studies so 438 00:20:03,390 --> 00:20:00,940 we send out lots of measures of sort of 439 00:20:06,419 --> 00:20:03,400 personality measures belief measures and 440 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:06,429 we're basically measuring similarities 441 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:08,650 and differences so for example the first 442 00:20:14,460 --> 00:20:10,770 one that I did was looking at well-being 443 00:20:16,919 --> 00:20:14,470 because I'm often asked well is it a 444 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:16,929 good thing to have beliefs you know does 445 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:18,250 it actually make people feel better 446 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:20,650 about themselves and help them cope with 447 00:20:25,260 --> 00:20:23,530 with you know the the difficulty of 448 00:20:27,870 --> 00:20:25,270 modern life and to some extent I think 449 00:20:30,330 --> 00:20:27,880 it does and so I looked at subjective 450 00:20:32,130 --> 00:20:30,340 well-being and happiness scales and 451 00:20:33,780 --> 00:20:32,140 belief to see if there was any kind of 452 00:20:37,580 --> 00:20:33,790 correlation there and it turned out yes 453 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:37,590 yes believers do appear to be happier 454 00:20:42,270 --> 00:20:39,850 getting back to what you're you're 455 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:42,280 looking into why why is just taking off 456 00:20:47,250 --> 00:20:44,050 in certain cultures and certain people 457 00:20:48,900 --> 00:20:47,260 why do people think like this I I was 458 00:20:50,669 --> 00:20:48,910 just thinking also before wouldn't it be 459 00:20:52,260 --> 00:20:50,679 great and we haven't done it yet that 460 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:52,270 you and I get together one day and go 461 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:54,850 and see one of these performances I know 462 00:20:59,490 --> 00:20:56,890 how could you imagine that would be so 463 00:21:02,220 --> 00:20:59,500 much fun well I'd like to have I'd like 464 00:21:04,919 --> 00:21:02,230 to have the whole sort of second row of 465 00:21:07,830 --> 00:21:04,929 skipped just skeptics the whole robes 466 00:21:12,570 --> 00:21:07,840 gets old sattler arms folded hands full 467 00:21:14,250 --> 00:21:12,580 bring it on that's right for the next 468 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:14,260 time the next time that certain person 469 00:21:20,130 --> 00:21:17,170 that I was talking about we comes on 470 00:21:23,460 --> 00:21:20,140 tour around New South Wales and Victoria 471 00:21:25,020 --> 00:21:23,470 then I'm determined to make sure that 472 00:21:26,630 --> 00:21:25,030 with you know there's a whole bunch of 473 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:26,640 skeptics down there in the front row 474 00:21:31,350 --> 00:21:29,530 staring out and given a heart I do it 475 00:21:33,870 --> 00:21:31,360 I'll turn up and I'll put on my skeptic 476 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:33,880 glasses and I'll cross my legs and fold 477 00:21:38,940 --> 00:21:36,010 my arms and get my notebook out that a 478 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:38,950 little frightening yeah well that's what 479 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:40,330 I did with this character i SAT there 480 00:21:45,390 --> 00:21:43,690 front row with a notepad huffing and 481 00:21:50,630 --> 00:21:45,400 puffing all the way through so right 482 00:21:54,090 --> 00:21:50,640 from the start he knew Bobby disgruntled 483 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:54,100 little little participant that there was 484 00:21:58,110 --> 00:21:55,570 something wrong and they actually came 485 00:21:59,730 --> 00:21:58,120 to me with the microphone you know he he 486 00:22:01,049 --> 00:21:59,740 at the end of the show he said right 487 00:22:03,419 --> 00:22:01,059 well this is a question answer session 488 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:03,429 you know that let's open up to the audio 489 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:05,410 so straight away my arm went straight up 490 00:22:09,360 --> 00:22:07,450 and they came straight to me 491 00:22:12,029 --> 00:22:09,370 add to them so they had noticed already 492 00:22:14,870 --> 00:22:12,039 that right that little weird little 493 00:22:18,539 --> 00:22:14,880 woman in the front what's up with her 494 00:22:20,879 --> 00:22:18,549 what what what fun what fun now Chrissy 495 00:22:25,620 --> 00:22:20,889 how do I know listeners find out more 496 00:22:28,049 --> 00:22:25,630 and aid in your research at soap yes or 497 00:22:30,149 --> 00:22:28,059 I'm rambling on as I always do and 498 00:22:33,269 --> 00:22:30,159 getting off the point the point is soap 499 00:22:35,730 --> 00:22:33,279 yes soap soap soap um we now have a 500 00:22:40,860 --> 00:22:35,740 wonderful website I say one foot is in 501 00:22:42,659 --> 00:22:40,870 his early stages yeah um it's it's you 502 00:22:44,639 --> 00:22:42,669 know we're trying to improve it and 503 00:22:46,919 --> 00:22:44,649 finally got it up and running but but 504 00:22:54,950 --> 00:22:46,929 it's in its early stages so it will get 505 00:22:58,230 --> 00:22:54,960 better and better the website is www org 506 00:23:00,860 --> 00:22:58,240 dot a you oh that's easy to remember 507 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:00,870 yeah well if you just Google soap 508 00:23:05,639 --> 00:23:03,090 unfortunately you'll get the Society of 509 00:23:08,430 --> 00:23:05,649 obstetrics and various other things so 510 00:23:10,379 --> 00:23:08,440 if you keep if you keep let soaked org 511 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:10,389 you'll get science of animalistic 512 00:23:15,810 --> 00:23:13,690 phenomena and yet so you can log on to 513 00:23:17,759 --> 00:23:15,820 the website now I've got big plans for 514 00:23:21,299 --> 00:23:17,769 the web's website because one of the 515 00:23:23,129 --> 00:23:21,309 main reasons for doing it is less to 516 00:23:25,919 --> 00:23:23,139 carry out research but I also want it to 517 00:23:30,360 --> 00:23:25,929 be an educational tool so one people to 518 00:23:32,460 --> 00:23:30,370 be able to log on and to be able to link 519 00:23:35,450 --> 00:23:32,470 into lectures so I'm going to do a 520 00:23:38,669 --> 00:23:35,460 series of lectures on various 521 00:23:39,419 --> 00:23:38,679 anomalistic psychology issues so some of 522 00:23:41,100 --> 00:23:39,429 the things we've been talking about 523 00:23:43,980 --> 00:23:41,110 today but also about the history of 524 00:23:47,610 --> 00:23:43,990 parapsychology and all kinds of things 525 00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:47,620 relating to the science of belief so I'm 526 00:23:54,779 --> 00:23:51,370 going to record lectures and load them 527 00:23:57,690 --> 00:23:54,789 onto the website so people can tune in 528 00:23:59,039 --> 00:23:57,700 and listen to them we've also got a 529 00:24:02,310 --> 00:23:59,049 couple of videos up there there's a 530 00:24:03,570 --> 00:24:02,320 welcome video from the up there at the 531 00:24:06,750 --> 00:24:03,580 moment and a couple of other little 532 00:24:08,850 --> 00:24:06,760 things and we've got a video of the soap 533 00:24:10,620 --> 00:24:08,860 launch now it's an edited version it's 534 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:10,630 only about 10 minutes or so just to give 535 00:24:16,830 --> 00:24:13,210 people an idea of what what it's all 536 00:24:19,049 --> 00:24:16,840 about and there's a link to research 537 00:24:21,100 --> 00:24:19,059 participation so if any of our gorgeous 538 00:24:24,460 --> 00:24:21,110 listeners would like to take part in 539 00:24:26,590 --> 00:24:24,470 any of the studies we've got one left up 540 00:24:27,700 --> 00:24:26,600 there at the moment and the next few 541 00:24:29,740 --> 00:24:27,710 weeks I'm going to load up another 542 00:24:31,299 --> 00:24:29,750 couple if anybody wants to take part all 543 00:24:34,330 --> 00:24:31,309 they have to do log on to the website 544 00:24:36,789 --> 00:24:34,340 click on research participation and that 545 00:24:38,710 --> 00:24:36,799 will take them straight to whatever 546 00:24:40,299 --> 00:24:38,720 studies we've got up on their the moment 547 00:24:42,220 --> 00:24:40,309 we've just got the one but in a couple 548 00:24:45,070 --> 00:24:42,230 of weeks time there'll be two or three 549 00:24:47,710 --> 00:24:45,080 more and they can just click on the link 550 00:24:50,410 --> 00:24:47,720 and then do the study and it does they 551 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:50,420 don't have to be skeptics it can be 552 00:24:55,120 --> 00:24:52,850 anybody you know I don't just want 553 00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:55,130 skeptics to take part I want believers 554 00:24:59,799 --> 00:24:57,610 skeptics and all points in between so um 555 00:25:02,770 --> 00:24:59,809 you know anybody who wants to take part 556 00:25:06,340 --> 00:25:02,780 in the studies there's also an email 557 00:25:13,390 --> 00:25:06,350 account so if anybody wants to become a 558 00:25:17,909 --> 00:25:13,400 soap sud so the soap suds or soap studs 559 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:17,919 as I keep cause of studs all right slip 560 00:25:23,710 --> 00:25:21,290 if anybody was become so absurd then 561 00:25:25,930 --> 00:25:23,720 they just send me their email address 562 00:25:28,150 --> 00:25:25,940 and then I'll put them onto the mailing 563 00:25:30,669 --> 00:25:28,160 list so whenever we have any sort of new 564 00:25:32,770 --> 00:25:30,679 lecture or a new event coming up or a 565 00:25:36,010 --> 00:25:32,780 new study then I can just send them the 566 00:25:39,130 --> 00:25:36,020 details excellent news Chrissy now it's 567 00:25:41,049 --> 00:25:39,140 really great and I should come and visit 568 00:25:42,820 --> 00:25:41,059 you in fact why don't I do that because 569 00:25:45,850 --> 00:25:42,830 I am coming to your neck of the woods 570 00:25:47,830 --> 00:25:45,860 you are put to take part in the mid amid 571 00:25:50,740 --> 00:25:47,840 awarded dividing challenge on the tenth 572 00:25:53,230 --> 00:25:50,750 of March and we can catch up then and 573 00:25:56,049 --> 00:25:53,240 talk about more so be things well let's 574 00:25:57,940 --> 00:25:56,059 do yeah let's do a little podcast ething 575 00:26:00,539 --> 00:25:57,950 for soap maybe I think that's a great 576 00:26:02,919 --> 00:26:00,549 idea and I'll stick that on there on the 577 00:26:06,130 --> 00:26:02,929 website and also i should say you know 578 00:26:09,100 --> 00:26:06,140 if anybody's got any suggestions um 579 00:26:12,039 --> 00:26:09,110 about things they'd like to know about 580 00:26:14,430 --> 00:26:12,049 belief in the paranormal you know any 581 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:14,440 kind of ideas for studies i have always 582 00:26:19,270 --> 00:26:17,450 open to ideas about the kinds of 583 00:26:21,730 --> 00:26:19,280 directions we can go in and types of 584 00:26:23,350 --> 00:26:21,740 studies that i can carry out I've got 585 00:26:26,650 --> 00:26:23,360 quite there's quite a few things planned 586 00:26:29,710 --> 00:26:26,660 for this year looking at cognitive 587 00:26:31,180 --> 00:26:29,720 biases biological biases and various 588 00:26:33,730 --> 00:26:31,190 other things but I'm always open to 589 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:33,740 suggestion so if any of the listeners 590 00:26:40,630 --> 00:26:35,450 but would like to suggest something then 591 00:26:44,490 --> 00:26:40,640 just email me at k wilson at CSU dot ed 592 00:26:47,260 --> 00:26:44,500 u ju and always happy to get suggestions 593 00:26:51,970 --> 00:26:47,270 excellent chrissy wilson from soap and 594 00:26:53,380 --> 00:26:51,980 ww so GU thank you once again for being 595 00:26:55,450 --> 00:26:53,390 on the skeptic zone you're actually 596 00:26:56,820 --> 00:26:55,460 technically our roving reporter so we'll 597 00:27:00,040 --> 00:26:56,830 have to get a few reports out of it 598 00:27:02,919 --> 00:27:00,050 definitely definitely oh otay my best 599 00:27:04,510 --> 00:27:02,929 and i'm sure we'll have some fun when we 600 00:27:06,940 --> 00:27:04,520 catch up really soon chrissy Wilson 601 00:27:27,700 --> 00:27:06,950 thanks very much ok cheers richard taken 602 00:27:32,350 --> 00:27:30,850 hi I'm on it why I exist in OB tips 603 00:27:34,180 --> 00:27:32,360 addai some logic lifted off the skeptic 604 00:27:36,639 --> 00:27:34,190 zone um skeptic a mirror in Nadia the 605 00:27:38,529 --> 00:27:36,649 fins not a blog gear up a BF a podcast 606 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:38,539 of reading escape system is leaked on 607 00:27:42,399 --> 00:27:40,850 this drama central de i'll skip sister 608 00:27:44,470 --> 00:27:42,409 demo or higher publicize the deeps 609 00:27:46,419 --> 00:27:44,480 corner Chiclets and calendar / activator 610 00:27:47,980 --> 00:27:46,429 or language in ET rester chez escapes 611 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:47,990 this blog in op 2 30am lay autodesk 612 00:28:00,419 --> 00:27:49,970 ateres hefty performance so speculum Oh 613 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:05,110 here's my not spooky action at a 614 00:28:17,590 --> 00:28:15,280 am I don't adventure i'm going to take 615 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:17,600 you on right now let's get in the main 616 00:28:23,740 --> 00:28:20,770 armor bill and go into deepest darkest 617 00:28:26,020 --> 00:28:23,750 newcastle that's right picture this doo 618 00:28:27,940 --> 00:28:26,030 dee doo doo dee doo doo wednesday night 619 00:28:29,980 --> 00:28:27,950 in newcastle it's normally you know 620 00:28:31,450 --> 00:28:29,990 after midnight a lot of drinking goes on 621 00:28:33,910 --> 00:28:31,460 from the students and they go from venue 622 00:28:36,430 --> 00:28:33,920 to venue having shall we say a student e 623 00:28:40,750 --> 00:28:36,440 good time but this wednesday night at 624 00:28:43,180 --> 00:28:40,760 six o'clock underground underneath the 625 00:28:45,130 --> 00:28:43,190 Grand Hotel opposite the courthouse all 626 00:28:46,750 --> 00:28:45,140 the action happens where the journalists 627 00:28:48,460 --> 00:28:46,760 who used to be employed in Newcastle 628 00:28:50,170 --> 00:28:48,470 used to drink when they were journalists 629 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:50,180 in Newcastle before they all got sacked 630 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:52,610 the Grand Hotel downstairs there was a 631 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:55,130 science in the pub science and pubs 632 00:28:57,700 --> 00:28:56,330 fantastic it's happening at a number of 633 00:29:00,280 --> 00:28:57,710 places around Australia but we had a 634 00:29:02,620 --> 00:29:00,290 special special line up of local people 635 00:29:05,380 --> 00:29:02,630 at the newcastle science in the pub 636 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:05,390 laureate professor john aitken professor 637 00:29:09,220 --> 00:29:07,490 Rodney Scott and professor Pablo moscato 638 00:29:10,710 --> 00:29:09,230 they formed the panel on the night and 639 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:10,720 they talked about nanotechnology 640 00:29:14,950 --> 00:29:13,850 biotechnology and bioethics how many 641 00:29:18,850 --> 00:29:14,960 people you think turned up for this in 642 00:29:20,230 --> 00:29:18,860 Newcastle don't ask over 100 and I'm 643 00:29:21,790 --> 00:29:20,240 just saying over 100 because as someone 644 00:29:23,380 --> 00:29:21,800 pointed out it wasn't mathematics in the 645 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:23,390 pub I couldn't count them all their 646 00:29:27,310 --> 00:29:25,490 people jammed in behind chairs everyone 647 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:27,320 had a hood of a time I think it's about 648 00:29:32,260 --> 00:29:29,930 time we had stadium science we've got 649 00:29:34,090 --> 00:29:32,270 stadium rock why can't we have stadium 650 00:29:36,430 --> 00:29:34,100 science why cant Hawking get up there 651 00:29:38,140 --> 00:29:36,440 take some questions and then crowd surf 652 00:29:40,630 --> 00:29:38,150 I don't know why that can't happen well 653 00:29:42,460 --> 00:29:40,640 it Dawkins the Richard Dawkins drinking 654 00:29:43,930 --> 00:29:42,470 challenge on stage while he's taking 655 00:29:46,450 --> 00:29:43,940 questions perfect i know i'd be there 656 00:29:48,430 --> 00:29:46,460 this is the first the first of a couple 657 00:29:50,620 --> 00:29:48,440 of science in the pubs around australia 658 00:29:53,650 --> 00:29:50,630 science in the pub will be at hobart on 659 00:29:56,470 --> 00:29:53,660 the 7th of march it'll be in Dubbo on 660 00:29:57,820 --> 00:29:56,480 the fourteenth of march and the rest of 661 00:29:59,830 --> 00:29:57,830 the dates haven't been organized yet but 662 00:30:03,900 --> 00:29:59,840 there will be science in the pub at Port 663 00:30:10,279 --> 00:30:03,910 Lincoln kalgoorlie broom Darwin 664 00:30:15,989 --> 00:30:13,829 calamba it's also presented by ABC local 665 00:30:18,479 --> 00:30:15,999 radio so if you know your ABC local 666 00:30:20,339 --> 00:30:18,489 radio station and you should in Hobart 667 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:20,349 dubbo Port Lincoln kalgoorlie broom 668 00:30:24,779 --> 00:30:22,690 Darwin townsell in toowoomba they will 669 00:30:26,879 --> 00:30:24,789 also be announcing it signed to the pub 670 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:26,889 it's happening but right now we take you 671 00:30:29,489 --> 00:30:28,690 to shortly after science and the pub 672 00:30:31,349 --> 00:30:29,499 finished they were talking 673 00:30:33,509 --> 00:30:31,359 nanotechnology they were talking 674 00:30:35,519 --> 00:30:33,519 high-tech and then they were talking to 675 00:30:38,159 --> 00:30:35,529 me bit of a disappointment really up 676 00:30:39,749 --> 00:30:38,169 hang on late breaking news the website 677 00:30:41,940 --> 00:30:39,759 if you'd like to know exactly more about 678 00:30:44,819 --> 00:30:41,950 this is oh and of course it's very easy 679 00:30:51,419 --> 00:30:44,829 one to remember take a new edu 2012 that 680 00:30:58,529 --> 00:30:51,429 note it is Tec Tec h NY 0 u dot ed u dot 681 00:31:01,979 --> 00:30:58,539 au / 2013 / 02 / science in the pub all 682 00:31:03,749 --> 00:31:01,989 one word that website in case you missed 683 00:31:08,639 --> 00:31:03,759 it again or you can just run the mp3 684 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:08,649 back Tech you dot ed u dot a you forward 685 00:31:15,899 --> 00:31:13,690 slash 2013 /o to forward slash science 686 00:31:17,219 --> 00:31:15,909 in the pub but if you have a look at 687 00:31:18,989 --> 00:31:17,229 these show notes for the skeptic zone 688 00:31:20,759 --> 00:31:18,999 this very episode I'm sure that link 689 00:31:23,879 --> 00:31:20,769 will be there and now back to our 690 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:23,889 regular scheduled program well I'm 691 00:31:34,619 --> 00:31:33,239 look we've just had so much impetus we 692 00:31:36,449 --> 00:31:34,629 just had science in the pub what do you 693 00:31:37,799 --> 00:31:36,459 think of it sir was excellent what's 694 00:31:39,060 --> 00:31:37,809 your field of interest what you what was 695 00:31:41,099 --> 00:31:39,070 the bit that interest you to the most we 696 00:31:42,599 --> 00:31:41,109 had three top scientists and there was 697 00:31:44,190 --> 00:31:42,609 all very interesting but the area I 698 00:31:47,549 --> 00:31:44,200 working was the bit they spoke about the 699 00:31:49,619 --> 00:31:47,559 end which is end of life yes and what 700 00:31:51,749 --> 00:31:49,629 concludes your Blizzard it mr. Seidel 701 00:31:53,129 --> 00:31:51,759 driven answer the conclusion was that I 702 00:31:54,149 --> 00:31:53,139 shouldn't actually ask the question I 703 00:31:55,859 --> 00:31:54,159 was going to ask her so would have 704 00:31:57,690 --> 00:31:55,869 brought it down or on everything because 705 00:32:01,019 --> 00:31:57,700 everything was dealing with conception 706 00:32:03,629 --> 00:32:01,029 and they sort of finished off with with 707 00:32:05,759 --> 00:32:03,639 the euthanasia I thought it was probably 708 00:32:07,030 --> 00:32:05,769 not the night to go out on but actually 709 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:07,040 is the night to go a little bit 710 00:32:10,780 --> 00:32:09,290 a huge night wasn't it all these people 711 00:32:13,420 --> 00:32:10,790 in Newcastle talking about science call 712 00:32:14,650 --> 00:32:13,430 it quality stuff quality stuff here now 713 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:14,660 what do you think of our science in the 714 00:32:19,300 --> 00:32:16,490 pub night what a huge amount of people I 715 00:32:20,980 --> 00:32:19,310 thought it was really good I'm out of my 716 00:32:22,630 --> 00:32:20,990 league here I'm not a science person I'm 717 00:32:23,860 --> 00:32:22,640 a stay-at-home mother I'll go say when 718 00:32:25,990 --> 00:32:23,870 they started talking about genome 719 00:32:28,750 --> 00:32:26,000 sequencing i was a bit confused himself 720 00:32:30,490 --> 00:32:28,760 i was more curious about i have four 721 00:32:33,190 --> 00:32:30,500 boys and I would do anything to get a 722 00:32:35,380 --> 00:32:33,200 girl so I wish that they could do gender 723 00:32:37,090 --> 00:32:35,390 selection but you know I don't think it 724 00:32:39,730 --> 00:32:37,100 expected expect that downstairs at the 725 00:32:40,900 --> 00:32:39,740 Grand Hotel him awareness a night and 726 00:32:42,550 --> 00:32:40,910 what do you think of the evening I 727 00:32:44,350 --> 00:32:42,560 really liked it it was there a part that 728 00:32:46,150 --> 00:32:44,360 really appealed to a lot of it was quite 729 00:32:47,290 --> 00:32:46,160 pitched high but I quite like the fact 730 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:47,300 that i didn't know some of it because it 731 00:32:50,140 --> 00:32:48,770 was interesting i studied by a 732 00:32:51,670 --> 00:32:50,150 technology at the University of 733 00:32:53,110 --> 00:32:51,680 Newcastle so I knew a lot of what 734 00:32:55,570 --> 00:32:53,120 they'll talk about so they never lost 735 00:32:57,190 --> 00:32:55,580 you once no not really it was there an 736 00:32:58,690 --> 00:32:57,200 era that the computers i was interested 737 00:33:01,000 --> 00:32:58,700 in at the computers working with the 738 00:33:02,860 --> 00:33:01,010 genetics and that was a bit that really 739 00:33:03,820 --> 00:33:02,870 fire the imagination I thought that was 740 00:33:06,010 --> 00:33:03,830 really interesting how they're doing 741 00:33:08,050 --> 00:33:06,020 that and of course all the people have 742 00:33:10,390 --> 00:33:08,060 turned up I'm surprised we got over 100 743 00:33:12,550 --> 00:33:10,400 people here tonight yeah we had trouble 744 00:33:14,710 --> 00:33:12,560 getting a seat so good job okay okay 745 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:14,720 thank you very much thank you look at 746 00:33:19,090 --> 00:33:17,210 the crowds moving away now I think 747 00:33:20,380 --> 00:33:19,100 you're the young Newton overcast rune of 748 00:33:22,090 --> 00:33:20,390 the year or something you mentioned what 749 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:22,100 was that one this one here look up well 750 00:33:24,910 --> 00:33:23,330 you had a pretty good question too and 751 00:33:26,170 --> 00:33:24,920 you were constantly blogging what was 752 00:33:28,510 --> 00:33:26,180 everyone saying on Twitter while I was 753 00:33:30,250 --> 00:33:28,520 going on I was looking at still quite a 754 00:33:32,410 --> 00:33:30,260 few people tweeting as the event was 755 00:33:33,570 --> 00:33:32,420 going on which was great to see lots of 756 00:33:35,860 --> 00:33:33,580 people really engage in the discussion 757 00:33:37,690 --> 00:33:35,870 lots of people who were really excited 758 00:33:39,940 --> 00:33:37,700 this science event was happening in a 759 00:33:41,170 --> 00:33:39,950 pub here in town and Wednesday night in 760 00:33:43,270 --> 00:33:41,180 New Castle I move got more than a 761 00:33:45,010 --> 00:33:43,280 hundred people which is fantastic when 762 00:33:46,750 --> 00:33:45,020 most of these people i think i'm heading 763 00:33:48,070 --> 00:33:46,760 out or to student night in town it's 764 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:48,080 very different crowd than you'd normally 765 00:33:51,970 --> 00:33:50,090 see out well normally you don't see them 766 00:33:54,220 --> 00:33:51,980 till after midnight very drunk apartment 767 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:54,230 yes certainly but it would be great 768 00:33:57,700 --> 00:33:55,850 events like this could continue in your 769 00:33:59,530 --> 00:33:57,710 car sliding given the turnout tonight 770 00:34:01,180 --> 00:33:59,540 there's certainly a desire for them to 771 00:34:03,070 --> 00:34:01,190 continue this early be an audience for 772 00:34:05,610 --> 00:34:03,080 them and the crab what was the area of 773 00:34:08,590 --> 00:34:05,620 the conversation that you went all right 774 00:34:10,510 --> 00:34:08,600 so there was a very big discussion about 775 00:34:12,310 --> 00:34:10,520 the ethics around science which is I 776 00:34:14,260 --> 00:34:12,320 think an area that the public can engage 777 00:34:16,149 --> 00:34:14,270 more broadly where it's not about the 778 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:16,159 the ins and outs of science the 779 00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:17,330 technical knowledge that you have to 780 00:34:20,470 --> 00:34:18,649 have to engage in the discussion but 781 00:34:22,540 --> 00:34:20,480 what you think site should be focusing 782 00:34:25,090 --> 00:34:22,550 on what the areas you think should be 783 00:34:27,070 --> 00:34:25,100 off limit to science and we think sites 784 00:34:28,540 --> 00:34:27,080 should be going in the future and have 785 00:34:29,710 --> 00:34:28,550 you got a rough answer to where you 786 00:34:32,290 --> 00:34:29,720 think science should be going in the 787 00:34:34,450 --> 00:34:32,300 future no idea I'd certainly like to see 788 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:34,460 a lot more science continuing in climate 789 00:34:37,330 --> 00:34:35,810 change I think that's an area where 790 00:34:40,510 --> 00:34:37,340 particularly here in Newcastle there's 791 00:34:43,240 --> 00:34:40,520 scope for a lot more research in that 792 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:43,250 field I know we have the CSIRO clean 793 00:34:47,260 --> 00:34:45,290 energy center here in town which is 794 00:34:49,210 --> 00:34:47,270 doing fantastic work look they've got 795 00:34:50,919 --> 00:34:49,220 their death ray at west maitland that 796 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:50,929 got that solar array that's set up there 797 00:34:54,129 --> 00:34:51,770 looks like they're doing something 798 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:54,139 really spooky yeah it's doing great 799 00:34:58,270 --> 00:34:56,810 things they've also got their site in 800 00:35:00,190 --> 00:34:58,280 western New Castle is doing a lot of 801 00:35:03,070 --> 00:35:00,200 energy efficiency we've got the Smart 802 00:35:05,020 --> 00:35:03,080 City free system that's getting up and 803 00:35:07,210 --> 00:35:05,030 running which will hopefully be a huge 804 00:35:09,010 --> 00:35:07,220 improvement in reducing the amount of 805 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:09,020 electricity we use across the country 806 00:35:13,090 --> 00:35:11,690 and Jessie enormous talent that we have 807 00:35:14,500 --> 00:35:13,100 through the University it would be great 808 00:35:15,940 --> 00:35:14,510 to him more of the stories coming out 809 00:35:17,380 --> 00:35:15,950 there yeah so you hear that people 810 00:35:19,540 --> 00:35:17,390 listening there was science going on a 811 00:35:21,220 --> 00:35:19,550 Newcastle thank you definitely now you 812 00:35:22,630 --> 00:35:21,230 give the person who had the question 813 00:35:24,099 --> 00:35:22,640 that stopped them a bit there you are 814 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:24,109 being a bit of a troublemaker what were 815 00:35:28,180 --> 00:35:26,210 you what you're asking early on so I was 816 00:35:30,700 --> 00:35:28,190 asking a question about how politics and 817 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:30,710 science interact and essentially how how 818 00:35:35,260 --> 00:35:33,530 a government can function in a in a 819 00:35:37,380 --> 00:35:35,270 situation where science is often far 820 00:35:39,790 --> 00:35:37,390 ahead of where the regulatory framework 821 00:35:40,870 --> 00:35:39,800 exists yes because you just off the top 822 00:35:43,450 --> 00:35:40,880 of my head I wouldn't think there'd be a 823 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:43,460 lot of boats in working out that ethics 824 00:35:48,010 --> 00:35:45,050 on something that no one's interested in 825 00:35:50,620 --> 00:35:48,020 just yet yeah I think that was addressed 826 00:35:53,260 --> 00:35:50,630 in there the answers in that politics 827 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:53,270 tends to focus far too much on the 828 00:35:57,820 --> 00:35:55,970 tomorrow's polling figures or and even 829 00:35:58,990 --> 00:35:57,830 looking as the furthest distance we look 830 00:36:00,970 --> 00:35:59,000 ahead is the next election where a 831 00:36:04,270 --> 00:36:00,980 science produces things that are going 832 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:04,280 to pay off in 10 20 50 years time and 833 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:07,370 it's a great forethought is required on 834 00:36:11,980 --> 00:36:09,290 behalf of regulators in order to achieve 835 00:36:14,110 --> 00:36:11,990 significant gains and you were young 836 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:14,120 nerve occasionally you I believe that's 837 00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:17,330 right and wasn't it great to see I've 838 00:36:20,110 --> 00:36:18,530 said this a few times because I'm really 839 00:36:21,610 --> 00:36:20,120 into it a hundred people getting 840 00:36:24,130 --> 00:36:21,620 together to talk about science on a 841 00:36:26,260 --> 00:36:24,140 wednesday night at newcastle i think 842 00:36:28,540 --> 00:36:26,270 it's fantastic i mean the pub in in a 843 00:36:30,490 --> 00:36:28,550 pub exactly i mean far too often science 844 00:36:32,620 --> 00:36:30,500 is done in universities where we're 845 00:36:34,690 --> 00:36:32,630 crazy academics published papers that 846 00:36:36,670 --> 00:36:34,700 the vast majority of the community never 847 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:36,680 see and so it's a really an important 848 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:38,810 thing that the community get to see the 849 00:36:42,460 --> 00:36:40,490 payoff of what science is producing in 850 00:36:43,810 --> 00:36:42,470 society look frankly speaking from a 851 00:36:45,310 --> 00:36:43,820 scientific perspective it was great to 852 00:36:46,720 --> 00:36:45,320 see some good haircuts in the room I 853 00:36:48,460 --> 00:36:46,730 mean normally when you go to sign stuff 854 00:36:50,860 --> 00:36:48,470 you can't see one decent haircut in the 855 00:36:52,540 --> 00:36:50,870 entire forum and that's definitely true 856 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:52,550 mate I definitely okay we'll have a good 857 00:36:55,720 --> 00:36:54,290 night you two actually how many people 858 00:36:57,340 --> 00:36:55,730 have any bill you reckon wish you get 859 00:36:58,720 --> 00:36:57,350 next time what kind of room do we need I 860 00:37:00,130 --> 00:36:58,730 mean it's almost like we need the band 861 00:37:01,270 --> 00:37:00,140 room at the Cambridge isn't it we 862 00:37:02,530 --> 00:37:01,280 definitely need the band room of the 863 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:02,540 Cambridge I think that's the next in the 864 00:37:08,980 --> 00:37:04,370 next logical step let's do some stadium 865 00:37:11,170 --> 00:37:08,990 science exactly just just remember this 866 00:37:13,330 --> 00:37:11,180 a skeptic zone special now many of you 867 00:37:20,330 --> 00:37:13,340 science viewers will will remember this 868 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:23,790 hello tonight on quantum I'm standing 869 00:37:28,380 --> 00:37:25,930 outside of a fascinating laboratory 870 00:37:30,180 --> 00:37:28,390 where they're testing high-heeled shoes 871 00:37:31,770 --> 00:37:30,190 that's right that's the voice of jill 872 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:31,780 emberson and you worked on quantum for 873 00:37:36,330 --> 00:37:33,850 many years what was the state of science 874 00:37:39,930 --> 00:37:36,340 reporting when you were doing it it was 875 00:37:42,150 --> 00:37:39,940 absolutely embryonic I had no scientific 876 00:37:45,090 --> 00:37:42,160 knowledge whatsoever I'd walked out of 877 00:37:48,210 --> 00:37:45,100 playing records and talking silly bitsat 878 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:48,220 to triple j Maynard I needed no science 879 00:37:53,010 --> 00:37:50,890 we were babies in woods I hope it's come 880 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:53,020 a long way and the mall and the whole 881 00:37:56,700 --> 00:37:55,210 geek culture has improved as well I mean 882 00:37:59,460 --> 00:37:56,710 now the word geek is certainly not an 883 00:38:01,830 --> 00:37:59,470 insult I think being a geek is cool I'm 884 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:01,840 not a geek and I feel I'm on the outside 885 00:38:05,910 --> 00:38:04,090 can you help me now I'm speaking to you 886 00:38:07,770 --> 00:38:05,920 because you hosted science in the pub 887 00:38:08,940 --> 00:38:07,780 here at Newcastle now what did you think 888 00:38:10,260 --> 00:38:08,950 was the moment where the evening really 889 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:10,270 took off because there's love feisty 890 00:38:14,190 --> 00:38:11,770 questions about ethics science the 891 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:14,200 future euthanasia politics what was the 892 00:38:19,890 --> 00:38:16,090 month when you went off here we go when 893 00:38:21,450 --> 00:38:19,900 Pablo two moments first when the new 894 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:21,460 south wales scientists of the year 895 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:24,130 city's alternative career path was real 896 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:27,850 estate we got through that wave the next 897 00:38:34,380 --> 00:38:31,330 moment was when professor Pablo moscato 898 00:38:36,870 --> 00:38:34,390 yes that is his real name said that we 899 00:38:39,930 --> 00:38:36,880 are in a revolution and and that the 900 00:38:42,540 --> 00:38:39,940 revolution is here it's not up the road 901 00:38:45,420 --> 00:38:42,550 when it comes to genetic knowledge that 902 00:38:48,630 --> 00:38:45,430 we've got right now I think there was a 903 00:38:50,090 --> 00:38:48,640 big heart moment jalali give it to 904 00:38:52,770 --> 00:38:50,100 meeting people of the puppet however 905 00:38:54,300 --> 00:38:52,780 mention it 100 people in newcastle on a 906 00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:54,310 wednesday night in a pub talking about 907 00:38:58,680 --> 00:38:56,290 science and high-level genome stuff too 908 00:39:00,630 --> 00:38:58,690 I'm blown away I have really blown away 909 00:39:03,620 --> 00:39:00,640 too there's even more people here than 910 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:03,630 the jazz night which has taken a lot of 911 00:39:09,870 --> 00:39:06,490 developing I'm blown away that there are 912 00:39:12,510 --> 00:39:09,880 this many people 100-plus for science in 913 00:39:14,790 --> 00:39:12,520 the pub on a school night I've called it 914 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:14,800 the band room at the Cambridge stadium 915 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:16,130 science 916 00:39:21,010 --> 00:39:19,370 next thing I'll see you there wow look 917 00:39:22,750 --> 00:39:21,020 we're not we're getting close to the bar 918 00:39:24,610 --> 00:39:22,760 but not quite how did you enjoy science 919 00:39:26,950 --> 00:39:24,620 in the pub and are you blown away by how 920 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:26,960 many people turned up it was chokers I 921 00:39:30,250 --> 00:39:28,370 couldn't find a seat I came in a few 922 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:30,260 minutes late in the year was it was so 923 00:39:33,580 --> 00:39:32,210 full but it was great it was absolutely 924 00:39:35,530 --> 00:39:33,590 worth it what was your interests are you 925 00:39:37,540 --> 00:39:35,540 studying the field oh yeah I'll my 926 00:39:39,250 --> 00:39:37,550 medical students so a few my lecturers 927 00:39:40,810 --> 00:39:39,260 are here today actually and now though 928 00:39:42,430 --> 00:39:40,820 talking at a fairly high level with some 929 00:39:43,810 --> 00:39:42,440 of the sciences and what did you think 930 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:43,820 of the level that they were pitching out 931 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:45,770 it was quite how I wasn't it it was high 932 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:47,330 but i think they managed to bring it 933 00:39:50,950 --> 00:39:49,370 down to a level that most people could 934 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:50,960 understand and then yeah they really 935 00:39:54,490 --> 00:39:52,850 simplified the concepts who was there an 936 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:54,500 area was there a question that was asked 937 00:39:58,600 --> 00:39:55,850 you went yeah I want to know that answer 938 00:40:00,520 --> 00:39:58,610 too um here look at the questions on 939 00:40:02,350 --> 00:40:00,530 pharmaceutical pricing so treating 940 00:40:04,090 --> 00:40:02,360 cancer treatments and how we can bring 941 00:40:05,290 --> 00:40:04,100 down costs that was the same very 942 00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:05,300 relevant I thought it was interesting 943 00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:06,890 the way he was comparing it to the cost 944 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:09,530 of HIV treatment in the early 90s yeah 945 00:40:13,150 --> 00:40:11,450 definitely definitely but it was 946 00:40:14,770 --> 00:40:13,160 mentioned by the other person ever when 947 00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:14,780 you looked at the effectiveness of the 948 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:16,250 cancer treatment I was working out about 949 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:17,570 a million dollars a patient which I 950 00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:19,850 thought was very interesting figure yeah 951 00:40:22,900 --> 00:40:21,170 well I suppose that's where they were 952 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:22,910 talking about tailoring treatments and 953 00:40:26,410 --> 00:40:24,770 so the importance of funding research 954 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:26,420 and in the long term bringing down 955 00:40:30,460 --> 00:40:29,210 pharmaceutical prices any idea if you'd 956 00:40:32,590 --> 00:40:30,470 like to specialize when you're finished 957 00:40:34,450 --> 00:40:32,600 your training yeah definitely i'm 958 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:34,460 hearing from john aitken the fertility 959 00:40:37,540 --> 00:40:35,810 specialist there's only I'm very 960 00:40:38,830 --> 00:40:37,550 interested in so yeah maybe one day 961 00:40:40,420 --> 00:40:38,840 would you be concerned about us living 962 00:40:42,580 --> 00:40:40,430 in a gattaca world one day where there's 963 00:40:44,470 --> 00:40:42,590 the people who have the the DNA that can 964 00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:44,480 be changed and the ones that like a scar 965 00:40:48,730 --> 00:40:46,730 yeah definitely I think there's a lot of 966 00:40:50,020 --> 00:40:48,740 science fiction talk that goes on as 967 00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:50,030 well you know a lot of people make the 968 00:40:53,470 --> 00:40:52,130 slippery slope argument but you know at 969 00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:53,480 the end of the day they were talking 970 00:40:57,370 --> 00:40:55,370 about how we do have regulation in place 971 00:40:58,750 --> 00:40:57,380 we have got really good systems so I 972 00:41:01,000 --> 00:40:58,760 don't really think of the go quite as 973 00:41:03,100 --> 00:41:01,010 Extreme as a science fiction and what is 974 00:41:05,530 --> 00:41:03,110 the next place to do the science and the 975 00:41:06,620 --> 00:41:05,540 pub at the shoe 200 people it's not way 976 00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:06,630 bigger yeah 977 00:41:10,069 --> 00:41:08,730 thank you very much and what were you 978 00:41:11,749 --> 00:41:10,079 into tonight might brought you along you 979 00:41:13,339 --> 00:41:11,759 were student as well I'm a doctor but 980 00:41:15,529 --> 00:41:13,349 I'm also starting a mass public health 981 00:41:16,730 --> 00:41:15,539 of them over so you actually have to 982 00:41:19,789 --> 00:41:16,740 have people sitting in front of you the 983 00:41:21,559 --> 00:41:19,799 sick yes I do okay I'm an actual work 984 00:41:23,359 --> 00:41:21,569 that everyday basis what did you get out 985 00:41:25,279 --> 00:41:23,369 of discussion tonight I thought it was 986 00:41:26,569 --> 00:41:25,289 very interesting in topical in terms of 987 00:41:28,460 --> 00:41:26,579 research and how much were actually 988 00:41:30,079 --> 00:41:28,470 funding the area and the opportunities 989 00:41:31,549 --> 00:41:30,089 that available and what needs to be done 990 00:41:32,950 --> 00:41:31,559 to sort of involve the community of the 991 00:41:35,059 --> 00:41:32,960 government's more and sort of 992 00:41:37,009 --> 00:41:35,069 appreciating and encouraging that sort 993 00:41:38,509 --> 00:41:37,019 of research pursuit what did you think 994 00:41:39,529 --> 00:41:38,519 was the most controversial question 995 00:41:41,569 --> 00:41:39,539 there was a couple of political 996 00:41:43,099 --> 00:41:41,579 questions asked and about fertility and 997 00:41:44,599 --> 00:41:43,109 all that sort of thing yes definitely I 998 00:41:46,130 --> 00:41:44,609 think there was a very topical question 999 00:41:47,569 --> 00:41:46,140 raised about whether people should have 1000 00:41:49,370 --> 00:41:47,579 access to information that they haven't 1001 00:41:52,370 --> 00:41:49,380 necessarily asked for themselves in 1002 00:41:54,589 --> 00:41:52,380 terms of genetic testing it's kind of a 1003 00:41:56,150 --> 00:41:54,599 Pandora's box because if you're not sort 1004 00:41:57,890 --> 00:41:56,160 of expecting that information how can 1005 00:42:00,349 --> 00:41:57,900 you expect someone to deal with it and 1006 00:42:02,029 --> 00:42:00,359 to want to have that information I think 1007 00:42:03,470 --> 00:42:02,039 in terms of research it's important to 1008 00:42:05,450 --> 00:42:03,480 have that information but then from a 1009 00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:05,460 patient perspective it might impair 1010 00:42:08,210 --> 00:42:07,170 their quality of life they find out so 1011 00:42:10,130 --> 00:42:08,220 that's always going to be a tricky 1012 00:42:11,900 --> 00:42:10,140 balance do you think doctors records 1013 00:42:13,370 --> 00:42:11,910 should be more transparent than they are 1014 00:42:15,079 --> 00:42:13,380 now I think there is a need for secrecy 1015 00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:15,089 because you do right all sorts of things 1016 00:42:18,259 --> 00:42:16,170 when you're speculating about a 1017 00:42:19,730 --> 00:42:18,269 patient's illness I think that patient 1018 00:42:21,380 --> 00:42:19,740 records are already quite transparent 1019 00:42:22,819 --> 00:42:21,390 patients definitely have access to it 1020 00:42:25,190 --> 00:42:22,829 they're back to their information and 1021 00:42:26,900 --> 00:42:25,200 can ask for it in given time but I think 1022 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:26,910 you pasted people like insurance company 1023 00:42:29,839 --> 00:42:27,930 should have access to it that would 1024 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:29,849 definitely change the game I think it's 1025 00:42:32,779 --> 00:42:30,930 surance company shouldn't have more 1026 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:32,789 access than a patient themselves ideally 1027 00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:35,490 ok but so they can regulate the pricing 1028 00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:36,480 and know what they're getting into with 1029 00:42:40,940 --> 00:42:39,450 the person I think that being sure it 1030 00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:40,950 last I mentioned before I fit the 1031 00:42:43,610 --> 00:42:41,970 insurance company Chenault Morgana 1032 00:42:45,710 --> 00:42:43,620 patients so 1033 00:42:46,970 --> 00:42:45,720 patience node information than their 1034 00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:46,980 more prepared for that sort of a 1035 00:42:50,270 --> 00:42:48,210 situation but to have an insurance 1036 00:42:52,670 --> 00:42:50,280 company know that before them would not 1037 00:42:53,930 --> 00:42:52,680 be ideal so these are big concepts to be 1038 00:42:55,220 --> 00:42:53,940 discussing on a wednesday night at the 1039 00:42:57,170 --> 00:42:55,230 Grand Hotel in Newcastle aren't they 1040 00:42:58,460 --> 00:42:57,180 isn't it great yes it's fantastic i 1041 00:43:00,400 --> 00:42:58,470 think more days eventually definitely a 1042 00:43:04,550 --> 00:43:00,410 care and it gets to get involved in 1043 00:43:06,290 --> 00:43:04,560 believing in what we're doing here well 1044 00:43:08,420 --> 00:43:06,300 we're just at the end of science in the 1045 00:43:09,770 --> 00:43:08,430 pub had more than a hundred people in a 1046 00:43:11,690 --> 00:43:09,780 room that's probably only designed to 1047 00:43:13,970 --> 00:43:11,700 fit about 60 we had three eminent 1048 00:43:16,370 --> 00:43:13,980 sciences and um scientists i'm here with 1049 00:43:18,500 --> 00:43:16,380 one of the organizers now at that Franky 1050 00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:18,510 who are you what have we had happen here 1051 00:43:22,790 --> 00:43:19,890 and one of the ramifications this for 1052 00:43:24,590 --> 00:43:22,800 Newcastle more I say um me I'm actually 1053 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:24,600 nobody but this has been a little bit 1054 00:43:28,430 --> 00:43:26,490 for some bodies and science somebody's 1055 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:28,440 and it's been great we weren't sure how 1056 00:43:32,300 --> 00:43:30,330 many people we get along and who the 1057 00:43:34,790 --> 00:43:32,310 people would be and there was all kinds 1058 00:43:36,830 --> 00:43:34,800 of people here they were like medical 1059 00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:36,840 students but there was also just normal 1060 00:43:41,330 --> 00:43:38,850 like Newcastle people as well thank you 1061 00:43:43,340 --> 00:43:41,340 for a room of scientists there was a lot 1062 00:43:44,870 --> 00:43:43,350 of good haircuts that's right yeah yeah 1063 00:43:48,050 --> 00:43:44,880 and they weren't there wasn't as many 1064 00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:48,060 grey beards as I expected in fact there 1065 00:43:52,370 --> 00:43:49,920 were a few of those Yogi's I saw some of 1066 00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:52,380 those too and I saw two neck beards 1067 00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:54,330 normally you'd get more than two neck 1068 00:43:58,910 --> 00:43:55,680 beards in a hundred scientists but 1069 00:44:01,070 --> 00:43:58,920 that's not bad um what other scientists 1070 00:44:03,170 --> 00:44:01,080 at the end there was saying that he 1071 00:44:04,610 --> 00:44:03,180 feels that that they had they should do 1072 00:44:06,980 --> 00:44:04,620 this kind of thing because he owes it to 1073 00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:06,990 us because we pay his salary basically 1074 00:44:10,370 --> 00:44:08,850 through attacks to find out what people 1075 00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:10,380 think about the research and he does 1076 00:44:13,940 --> 00:44:11,850 with it we think it's worth the effort 1077 00:44:16,460 --> 00:44:13,950 and a lot of people made their comments 1078 00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:16,470 and he was really happy to have a chance 1079 00:44:19,820 --> 00:44:18,210 to hear what people think about what 1080 00:44:22,670 --> 00:44:19,830 he's doing so I thought that was pretty 1081 00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:22,680 cool and for you helping out but what's 1082 00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:24,450 going on here tonight what makes the 1083 00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:26,370 moment we went wow this is just rocking 1084 00:44:31,610 --> 00:44:29,490 the house science-wise it's it's a safe 1085 00:44:32,810 --> 00:44:31,620 I worked in live music videos and 1086 00:44:34,490 --> 00:44:32,820 there's this moment 1087 00:44:35,660 --> 00:44:34,500 and you don't know whether people going 1088 00:44:37,460 --> 00:44:35,670 to come to your gig and then you look 1089 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:37,470 around and they're all arriving at you 1090 00:44:40,970 --> 00:44:39,450 know at the start and that happened 1091 00:44:42,110 --> 00:44:40,980 tonight I looked around and their orders 1092 00:44:44,090 --> 00:44:42,120 coming in the door like it was a 1093 00:44:46,250 --> 00:44:44,100 perfectly normal thing to do on a 1094 00:44:47,810 --> 00:44:46,260 Wednesday night to rock up to a place to 1095 00:44:49,370 --> 00:44:47,820 listen to scientists blabbering on and 1096 00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:49,380 they're all coming in all excited and 1097 00:44:53,030 --> 00:44:51,330 ready for it and buying their beers like 1098 00:44:55,070 --> 00:44:53,040 like it was not yeah look I must mention 1099 00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:55,080 in Newcastle I'm a Wednesday night the 1100 00:44:58,580 --> 00:44:56,490 uni students that's the night they go 1101 00:45:00,500 --> 00:44:58,590 out drinking and normally by that 1102 00:45:02,300 --> 00:45:00,510 midnight everyone has really / that's 1103 00:45:03,980 --> 00:45:02,310 when most relationships start because 1104 00:45:05,510 --> 00:45:03,990 people they don't try dating they just 1105 00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:05,520 get drunk and see how it goes that that 1106 00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:07,050 is kind of the culture here and it was 1107 00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:08,130 great to see people talking about 1108 00:45:11,510 --> 00:45:09,810 science early on a Wednesday evening 1109 00:45:12,740 --> 00:45:11,520 they will they're probably going going 1110 00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:12,750 home and sort of starting relationships 1111 00:45:16,730 --> 00:45:15,450 now that perhaps by next Wednesday we 1112 00:45:18,410 --> 00:45:16,740 could predict they end I don't know 1113 00:45:20,270 --> 00:45:18,420 scientifically predict that they could 1114 00:45:21,950 --> 00:45:20,280 end my next winter now is any chances 1115 00:45:23,270 --> 00:45:21,960 being more regular in Newcastle have you 1116 00:45:25,700 --> 00:45:23,280 got us an inside running on whether this 1117 00:45:27,020 --> 00:45:25,710 could happen again the everyone I've 1118 00:45:29,030 --> 00:45:27,030 spoken to since is finish tonight 1119 00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:29,040 scientists and the various Panthers have 1120 00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:30,450 all said we want to do more of this 1121 00:45:33,500 --> 00:45:31,770 there should be more of this this should 1122 00:45:35,420 --> 00:45:33,510 happen yet every month and so there's a 1123 00:45:37,700 --> 00:45:35,430 lot of enthusiasm so we'll see what we 1124 00:45:39,470 --> 00:45:37,710 can do about doing doing this more 1125 00:45:41,270 --> 00:45:39,480 actually ABC support has been great 1126 00:45:43,700 --> 00:45:41,280 that's 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00:46:45,880 friends to visit skipped item the CN a 1141 00:47:12,620 --> 00:46:48,730 fine skip toyed and the Chinese itunes 1142 00:47:17,250 --> 00:47:14,760 joining me on the line from the 1143 00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:17,260 beautiful city of Adelaide the wine 1144 00:47:22,890 --> 00:47:19,930 capital of Australia is a man who enjoys 1145 00:47:25,079 --> 00:47:22,900 a dropper to dr. Paul Willis you know 1146 00:47:26,670 --> 00:47:25,089 mate how are you I'm doing really well 1147 00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:26,680 pull it's good to catch up with you 1148 00:47:31,349 --> 00:47:29,410 again I'm sorry you left Sydney sometime 1149 00:47:33,240 --> 00:47:31,359 back now of course but I think you're 1150 00:47:35,579 --> 00:47:33,250 having a pretty good time in Adelaide oh 1151 00:47:37,349 --> 00:47:35,589 look i grew up in Sydney I do love 1152 00:47:39,089 --> 00:47:37,359 Sydney book i can tell you living in 1153 00:47:42,089 --> 00:47:39,099 adelaide sydney is a terrific place to 1154 00:47:44,010 --> 00:47:42,099 be from Adelaide Adelaide is a beautiful 1155 00:47:46,500 --> 00:47:44,020 town and I'm certainly enjoying my time 1156 00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:46,510 here not only because it's a wonderful 1157 00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:50,290 city to live in but also because the job 1158 00:47:54,390 --> 00:47:51,490 that I've got here at the royal 1159 00:47:57,359 --> 00:47:54,400 institution is just well it's as if they 1160 00:47:59,010 --> 00:47:57,369 invented it for me and you know I've 1161 00:48:03,270 --> 00:47:59,020 just had the opportunity to do 1162 00:48:06,089 --> 00:48:03,280 interesting new fun stuff and um well 1163 00:48:07,589 --> 00:48:06,099 you know it's not every day in your 1164 00:48:09,660 --> 00:48:07,599 professional life you given a clean 1165 00:48:11,790 --> 00:48:09,670 sheet of paper and so go ahead draw 1166 00:48:13,710 --> 00:48:11,800 whatever you like in that safe we're 1167 00:48:15,930 --> 00:48:13,720 having a lot of fun that sounds terrific 1168 00:48:18,410 --> 00:48:15,940 and I know that you're very active 1169 00:48:20,609 --> 00:48:18,420 online because I see your tweets 1170 00:48:21,809 --> 00:48:20,619 constantly you're constantly tweeting 1171 00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:21,819 about what's happening at the Royal 1172 00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:23,890 Institute how's that all going with the 1173 00:48:28,559 --> 00:48:26,290 online stuff well the thing is is that 1174 00:48:30,359 --> 00:48:28,569 we've realized that in this day and age 1175 00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:30,369 if you've got a limited budget and 1176 00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:33,130 you're a national organization the 1177 00:48:39,390 --> 00:48:35,290 easiest way to service the nation is 1178 00:48:42,059 --> 00:48:39,400 online and so we are pretty much focused 1179 00:48:45,210 --> 00:48:42,069 now on producing online material that 1180 00:48:48,150 --> 00:48:45,220 people can engage with so if we hold an 1181 00:48:50,190 --> 00:48:48,160 event in our auditorium we live stream 1182 00:48:52,620 --> 00:48:50,200 it and we get people not just across the 1183 00:48:55,410 --> 00:48:52,630 country but around the world following 1184 00:48:56,790 --> 00:48:55,420 in real time those presentations and 1185 00:48:59,579 --> 00:48:56,800 they're actually able to interact 1186 00:49:00,960 --> 00:48:59,589 through Twitter and and through the chat 1187 00:49:03,660 --> 00:49:00,970 rooms so that they can actually ask 1188 00:49:07,140 --> 00:49:03,670 questions you know last year let me give 1189 00:49:10,380 --> 00:49:07,150 you an example last year we had a live 1190 00:49:12,900 --> 00:49:10,390 chat via video link to Antarctica 1191 00:49:16,319 --> 00:49:12,910 Morton vase and that conversation 1192 00:49:20,069 --> 00:49:16,329 between me and Adelaide and and the guys 1193 00:49:21,990 --> 00:49:20,079 in Morton base we relied that live to 1194 00:49:24,210 --> 00:49:22,000 the Internet in high definition it was 1195 00:49:27,240 --> 00:49:24,220 picked up across the country it was also 1196 00:49:29,670 --> 00:49:27,250 picked up in France Canada England and 1197 00:49:32,460 --> 00:49:29,680 the United States and we had people in 1198 00:49:35,339 --> 00:49:32,470 those countries tweeting questions back 1199 00:49:38,370 --> 00:49:35,349 to me to ask of Antarctica so we were 1200 00:49:42,839 --> 00:49:38,380 able to hold a live for continent-wide 1201 00:49:44,849 --> 00:49:42,849 event from this facility so you know 1202 00:49:47,609 --> 00:49:44,859 that's one way that we're able to 1203 00:49:49,500 --> 00:49:47,619 exploit the online environment to meet 1204 00:49:52,559 --> 00:49:49,510 our mission of taking science for the 1205 00:49:54,539 --> 00:49:52,569 people it's wonderful Paula know and I 1206 00:49:57,950 --> 00:49:54,549 think of myself every now and then I 1207 00:50:00,539 --> 00:49:57,960 like living in the future it's quite fun 1208 00:50:02,759 --> 00:50:00,549 well you know but also the opportunities 1209 00:50:05,250 --> 00:50:02,769 that we had to put out vodka laughs you 1210 00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:05,260 know we've got all the recording 1211 00:50:10,890 --> 00:50:07,930 equipment here we've got it essentially 1212 00:50:13,410 --> 00:50:10,900 a five camera high-definition robotics 1213 00:50:15,930 --> 00:50:13,420 to do so we can pull together things 1214 00:50:18,210 --> 00:50:15,940 like vodka is really easily and and the 1215 00:50:20,849 --> 00:50:18,220 vodcast that we're currently putting out 1216 00:50:24,660 --> 00:50:20,859 a week in science is going gangbusters 1217 00:50:27,660 --> 00:50:24,670 it's really taking off and you know 1218 00:50:29,700 --> 00:50:27,670 again an easy way to be able to to get 1219 00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:29,710 the messages of science out not just 1220 00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:31,450 it's not just picked up across Australia 1221 00:50:36,390 --> 00:50:33,450 it's picked up around the world now and 1222 00:50:39,859 --> 00:50:36,400 you know this is the future and and the 1223 00:50:42,299 --> 00:50:39,869 the the thing that impresses me about 1224 00:50:44,460 --> 00:50:42,309 moving over to the Royal Institution 1225 00:50:46,799 --> 00:50:44,470 looking at new ways of doing things is 1226 00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:46,809 that the future of the media the 1227 00:50:51,210 --> 00:50:48,490 difference that a lot of people haven't 1228 00:50:53,819 --> 00:50:51,220 picked up is the old media the 1229 00:50:57,269 --> 00:50:53,829 television stations and newspapers the 1230 00:50:59,700 --> 00:50:57,279 radio the old forms of media the basis 1231 00:51:01,710 --> 00:50:59,710 of their economies was money it was 1232 00:51:03,450 --> 00:51:01,720 about bums on seats and getting the 1233 00:51:05,930 --> 00:51:03,460 advertising revenue in it was a 1234 00:51:09,809 --> 00:51:05,940 money-based venture it was a business 1235 00:51:13,499 --> 00:51:09,819 whereas when we go online it chat 1236 00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:13,509 transfers from being money so ideas 1237 00:51:18,779 --> 00:51:15,970 being the basis of the that economy and 1238 00:51:21,990 --> 00:51:18,789 so whoever puts out the most interesting 1239 00:51:23,859 --> 00:51:22,000 ideas and the most accessible ideas they 1240 00:51:26,289 --> 00:51:23,869 are the ones who are going to take the 1241 00:51:28,839 --> 00:51:26,299 lead in that marketplace so you know 1242 00:51:31,140 --> 00:51:28,849 being able to to be a traitor in the 1243 00:51:33,819 --> 00:51:31,150 market of ideas I find that absolutely 1244 00:51:35,950 --> 00:51:33,829 invigorating what a fabulous that's a 1245 00:51:39,460 --> 00:51:35,960 fabulous way a fabulous outlook I think 1246 00:51:42,009 --> 00:51:39,470 to to take advantage of what is thought 1247 00:51:44,259 --> 00:51:42,019 to all of us it's still new I mean to 1248 00:51:45,970 --> 00:51:44,269 younger kids growing up now it's it's 1249 00:51:48,819 --> 00:51:45,980 what they've always known but for us old 1250 00:51:51,130 --> 00:51:48,829 fossils so to speak who we remember when 1251 00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:51,140 all this was coming about oh don't run 1252 00:51:55,539 --> 00:51:53,930 yourself down too far Richard you know 1253 00:51:58,630 --> 00:51:55,549 they me I mean look at what you're doing 1254 00:52:01,599 --> 00:51:58,640 with this podcast you know this is this 1255 00:52:04,870 --> 00:52:01,609 is you being able to take control of the 1256 00:52:07,089 --> 00:52:04,880 media and put your messages out directly 1257 00:52:08,950 --> 00:52:07,099 to your audience that's true you know 1258 00:52:11,499 --> 00:52:08,960 and you've only got to go back 10 years 1259 00:52:13,150 --> 00:52:11,509 that was impossible if you wanted to 1260 00:52:16,779 --> 00:52:13,160 talk to an audience you had to go 1261 00:52:18,609 --> 00:52:16,789 through a media corporation you had to 1262 00:52:21,249 --> 00:52:18,619 go through a television station or a 1263 00:52:23,529 --> 00:52:21,259 radio station or a newspaper that the 1264 00:52:25,839 --> 00:52:23,539 message ceased to be yours it was 1265 00:52:29,049 --> 00:52:25,849 filtered through what they wanted to do 1266 00:52:32,470 --> 00:52:29,059 in order to not get your ideas across 1267 00:52:35,739 --> 00:52:32,480 but in order to make money yeah and so 1268 00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:35,749 you know you and I are on the crest of a 1269 00:52:41,890 --> 00:52:37,970 wave here and this is the wave of the 1270 00:52:44,890 --> 00:52:41,900 future for the media it's all about good 1271 00:52:47,319 --> 00:52:44,900 ideas and so you know strength to your 1272 00:52:50,170 --> 00:52:47,329 podcast strength to our vodcast it's all 1273 00:52:52,210 --> 00:52:50,180 about taking those ideas directly to the 1274 00:52:54,579 --> 00:52:52,220 people who are interested in those ideas 1275 00:52:56,259 --> 00:52:54,589 but talking about the old fashioned 1276 00:52:58,120 --> 00:52:56,269 media for a moment we can think that 1277 00:53:00,309 --> 00:52:58,130 ancient technology called television 1278 00:53:03,069 --> 00:53:00,319 here I was sitting at home the other day 1279 00:53:05,140 --> 00:53:03,079 quite comfortable on my couch channel 1280 00:53:09,460 --> 00:53:05,150 surfing and what do I see you're beaming 1281 00:53:10,989 --> 00:53:09,470 face come up thank you very much many 1282 00:53:14,799 --> 00:53:10,999 people have commented how similar you 1283 00:53:16,599 --> 00:53:14,809 and I are yeah that's true now there are 1284 00:53:19,359 --> 00:53:16,609 you I knew you were coming up now you 1285 00:53:22,599 --> 00:53:19,369 were on the ABC or on a nationwide 1286 00:53:25,569 --> 00:53:22,609 program news24 yeah that's right there 1287 00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:25,579 the 24-hour news network talking about 1288 00:53:29,470 --> 00:53:26,930 something which I find intensely 1289 00:53:32,710 --> 00:53:29,480 interesting and I always have dinosaurs 1290 00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:32,720 but specifically the extinction event 1291 00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:35,930 and new research yeah 1292 00:53:43,330 --> 00:53:41,810 um wasn't I fabulous oh I could I 1293 00:53:45,130 --> 00:53:43,340 recorded it so I could watch it again 1294 00:53:49,060 --> 00:53:45,140 and again as I keep having to say fig 1295 00:53:50,860 --> 00:53:49,070 jam look the thing with what that story 1296 00:53:53,230 --> 00:53:50,870 was all about is it's a great piece of 1297 00:53:58,390 --> 00:53:53,240 research essentially you know we've 1298 00:54:00,400 --> 00:53:58,400 known for the last 30 years that around 1299 00:54:02,190 --> 00:54:00,410 the time the dinosaurs disappeared the 1300 00:54:05,740 --> 00:54:02,200 earth was whacked by a large meteorite 1301 00:54:07,900 --> 00:54:05,750 now the main school of thought said the 1302 00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:07,910 meteorite did it the meteorite was the 1303 00:54:11,350 --> 00:54:10,130 reason why the dinosaurs and virtually 1304 00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:11,360 everything else on the planet went 1305 00:54:15,580 --> 00:54:13,850 extinct but there was a dissenting group 1306 00:54:17,980 --> 00:54:15,590 and they had some evidence to back them 1307 00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:17,990 up themselves up that said the trouble 1308 00:54:23,250 --> 00:54:20,210 with that scenario is the meteorite 1309 00:54:26,830 --> 00:54:23,260 appears to have hit about 300,000 years 1310 00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:26,840 before the dinosaurs disappear and so 1311 00:54:31,390 --> 00:54:29,690 therefore you know the link between the 1312 00:54:34,780 --> 00:54:31,400 meteorite impact and the dinosaurs 1313 00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:34,790 disappearing is a little less clear than 1314 00:54:40,210 --> 00:54:36,890 than the other camp would have you 1315 00:54:42,070 --> 00:54:40,220 believe it again yeah it is quite a gap 1316 00:54:45,010 --> 00:54:42,080 and a large part of that was because 1317 00:54:48,220 --> 00:54:45,020 well the the crater that they've found 1318 00:54:50,770 --> 00:54:48,230 which they believe is the crater of the 1319 00:54:53,140 --> 00:54:50,780 impact the Chicxulub crater on the 1320 00:54:55,810 --> 00:54:53,150 Yucatan Peninsula it's under about a 1321 00:54:58,300 --> 00:54:55,820 kilometer of rock and so you can only 1322 00:55:00,460 --> 00:54:58,310 study it by drilling down through it all 1323 00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:00,470 by doing seismic work and looking at the 1324 00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:02,930 reflected waves that couldn't bounce 1325 00:55:09,490 --> 00:55:05,690 back off of it and when you drill down 1326 00:55:13,060 --> 00:55:09,500 it you can actually find stuff inside 1327 00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:13,070 the crater which is older than the age 1328 00:55:20,830 --> 00:55:16,610 of the dinosaurs went extinct by about 1329 00:55:25,060 --> 00:55:20,840 300,000 years right right now what it 1330 00:55:27,100 --> 00:55:25,070 appears now is that that older stuff in 1331 00:55:30,250 --> 00:55:27,110 the bottom of the crater is stuff that 1332 00:55:33,580 --> 00:55:30,260 slump down after the crater formed so 1333 00:55:35,590 --> 00:55:33,590 you had the edge of the crater and then 1334 00:55:37,030 --> 00:55:35,600 some older stuff from the edge of the 1335 00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:37,040 crater slumps down to the bottom and 1336 00:55:43,060 --> 00:55:40,130 appears to be on top of the impact 1337 00:55:45,190 --> 00:55:43,070 itself and that artificially makes it 1338 00:55:48,130 --> 00:55:45,200 look like the crater is 300,000 years 1339 00:55:49,130 --> 00:55:48,140 older than it really is so what what 1340 00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:49,140 there's recent 1341 00:55:53,599 --> 00:55:51,450 daddy did was it went back and it looked 1342 00:55:55,940 --> 00:55:53,609 through all of the data it went through 1343 00:55:59,029 --> 00:55:55,950 all the dating of the crater itself as 1344 00:56:00,980 --> 00:55:59,039 well as looking at the rates of 1345 00:56:02,750 --> 00:56:00,990 extinction amongst the dinosaurs and 1346 00:56:05,779 --> 00:56:02,760 loads of other groups of organisms and 1347 00:56:08,539 --> 00:56:05,789 said no look that 300,000 year gap 1348 00:56:11,630 --> 00:56:08,549 doesn't exist if anything there's a gap 1349 00:56:15,500 --> 00:56:11,640 of maybe 30,000 years which in 1350 00:56:19,579 --> 00:56:15,510 geological terms is an instant so you 1351 00:56:21,789 --> 00:56:19,589 know essentially it's not overturned our 1352 00:56:24,529 --> 00:56:21,799 understanding it's refined our 1353 00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:24,539 understanding of what happened the 1354 00:56:28,519 --> 00:56:26,970 dinosaurs do seem to have been suffering 1355 00:56:30,620 --> 00:56:28,529 some groups of dinosaurs more than 1356 00:56:32,839 --> 00:56:30,630 others do seem to have been suffering 1357 00:56:35,420 --> 00:56:32,849 for a few million years prior to that 1358 00:56:37,370 --> 00:56:35,430 impact but that impact was the coup de 1359 00:56:41,089 --> 00:56:37,380 Gras that was what wiped then and 1360 00:56:44,750 --> 00:56:41,099 something like 70 odd percent of species 1361 00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:44,760 on the planet out yes and as we know it 1362 00:56:49,099 --> 00:56:46,650 happens periodically through Earth's 1363 00:56:51,529 --> 00:56:49,109 history hmmm and of course the the thing 1364 00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:51,539 in the back of our mind is well one day 1365 00:56:56,390 --> 00:56:53,970 is our friend dr. Phil Plait says it's 1366 00:56:59,329 --> 00:56:56,400 not a question of if it'll happen again 1367 00:57:02,749 --> 00:56:59,339 it's a question of when well you know if 1368 00:57:05,029 --> 00:57:02,759 it was a betting proposition odd I'd 1369 00:57:07,749 --> 00:57:05,039 prefer to be betting on drugs and sport 1370 00:57:10,670 --> 00:57:07,759 you know there's much greater certainty 1371 00:57:15,079 --> 00:57:10,680 that it's going to happen within our 1372 00:57:18,519 --> 00:57:15,089 lifetimes the idea of a meteorite here I 1373 00:57:21,970 --> 00:57:18,529 mean this tomorrow morning I believe 1374 00:57:30,499 --> 00:57:21,980 we're going to have a fly part of 1375 00:57:32,870 --> 00:57:30,509 asteroid 2012 da14 and that's going to 1376 00:57:35,089 --> 00:57:32,880 pass within something like twenty six 1377 00:57:39,529 --> 00:57:35,099 thousand kilometres of the earth now 1378 00:57:41,900 --> 00:57:39,539 that's only 15 metres across if it hit 1379 00:57:44,450 --> 00:57:41,910 the earth look if it was a king hit on a 1380 00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:44,460 major city yeah it would cause a bit of 1381 00:57:48,829 --> 00:57:47,130 problems it would create it you you'll 1382 00:57:52,700 --> 00:57:48,839 be saying goodbye to a few thousand 1383 00:57:55,069 --> 00:57:52,710 people but that's not the sort of impact 1384 00:57:58,519 --> 00:57:55,079 that we're talking about where the wiped 1385 00:58:00,620 --> 00:57:58,529 out the dinosaurs the meteorite that 1386 00:58:03,260 --> 00:58:00,630 will hit the earth then back at the 1387 00:58:05,150 --> 00:58:03,270 end of the Cretaceous wasn't 15 meters 1388 00:58:08,210 --> 00:58:05,160 across it was something like ten 1389 00:58:09,950 --> 00:58:08,220 kilometres across and when you've got 1390 00:58:11,860 --> 00:58:09,960 something that big you're talking about 1391 00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:11,870 something much bigger than Mount Everest 1392 00:58:17,180 --> 00:58:15,090 when that slams into the earth traveling 1393 00:58:19,910 --> 00:58:17,190 at an average speed of about fifty 1394 00:58:22,250 --> 00:58:19,920 thousand kilometres an hour the energy 1395 00:58:24,830 --> 00:58:22,260 released is absolutely enormous you're 1396 00:58:26,990 --> 00:58:24,840 talking about the equivalent of a hora 1397 00:58:29,900 --> 00:58:27,000 from a bomb for every man woman and 1398 00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:29,910 child on the planet today with a billion 1399 00:58:35,510 --> 00:58:33,330 spare you release that you release that 1400 00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:35,520 much energy you're going to cause a lot 1401 00:58:39,260 --> 00:58:37,410 of trouble you're going to vaporize you 1402 00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:39,270 know virtually everything within 2,000 1403 00:58:42,740 --> 00:58:41,250 kilometers of the impact site you're 1404 00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:42,750 going to incinerate everything within 1405 00:58:49,820 --> 00:58:46,050 five thousand kilometers the soot and 1406 00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:49,830 dust that those fires we with into the 1407 00:58:54,020 --> 00:58:52,290 impact zone are going to spread because 1408 00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:54,030 material is going to be blown back out 1409 00:58:58,700 --> 00:58:56,010 into the app into above the atmosphere 1410 00:59:00,050 --> 00:58:58,710 and come down as burning masses all 1411 00:59:01,910 --> 00:59:00,060 around the world so you're going to set 1412 00:59:04,010 --> 00:59:01,920 off fires right the way around the 1413 00:59:06,290 --> 00:59:04,020 planet you're going to set off so much 1414 00:59:07,850 --> 00:59:06,300 ash into the atmosphere that you're 1415 00:59:10,850 --> 00:59:07,860 going to block out sunlight to the 1416 00:59:13,070 --> 00:59:10,860 planet probably four months possibly 1417 00:59:15,890 --> 00:59:13,080 four years if you cut out sunlight 1418 00:59:17,900 --> 00:59:15,900 plants can't grow if plants can't grow 1419 00:59:19,780 --> 00:59:17,910 plant eaters die if plant-eaters dying 1420 00:59:24,170 --> 00:59:19,790 media's die the whole food chain 1421 00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:24,180 collapses so you know well you might 1422 00:59:28,250 --> 00:59:26,730 have some cause for concern for tomorrow 1423 00:59:31,130 --> 00:59:28,260 morning when this little thing and 1424 00:59:32,810 --> 00:59:31,140 buzzes past believe me unless you're 1425 00:59:34,610 --> 00:59:32,820 right underneath it and it's not going 1426 00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:34,620 to hit the earth anyway even if you were 1427 00:59:38,660 --> 00:59:36,690 right underneath it chances are it would 1428 00:59:41,150 --> 00:59:38,670 be nothing like what the dinosaurs had 1429 00:59:43,460 --> 00:59:41,160 to put up with well I'm quite surprised 1430 00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:43,470 the way you talk about the size of the 1431 00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:45,690 thing and the energy released at the 1432 00:59:52,610 --> 00:59:49,730 time and the damage that some dinosaurs 1433 00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:52,620 managed to hang on after such an 1434 00:59:58,840 --> 00:59:55,770 incredible event what look at this is 1435 01:00:02,030 --> 00:59:58,850 that the the the real problem of 1436 01:00:04,850 --> 01:00:02,040 explaining a mass extinction is not so 1437 01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:04,860 much how you wipe everything out but how 1438 01:00:09,410 --> 01:00:06,690 the things that get through survive 1439 01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:09,420 that's the real that's the trickiest 1440 01:00:15,650 --> 01:00:13,050 part it's easy to wipe everything out 1441 01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:15,660 you know no problem but how do you 1442 01:00:21,620 --> 01:00:18,090 actually have a scenario where a few 1443 01:00:23,870 --> 01:00:21,630 things survive because yes one group of 1444 01:00:26,150 --> 01:00:23,880 dinosaurs survived the birds you also 1445 01:00:28,100 --> 01:00:26,160 had the mammals survived you had lizards 1446 01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:28,110 he had snakes you had turtles you had 1447 01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:31,290 crocodiles you had frogs you had a 1448 01:00:35,450 --> 01:00:33,450 number of different types of fish and 1449 01:00:39,470 --> 01:00:35,460 corals and all sorts of invertebrates 1450 01:00:43,460 --> 01:00:39,480 how do I get through when everything 1451 01:00:45,980 --> 01:00:43,470 else disappears and the part of the 1452 01:00:47,900 --> 01:00:45,990 answer is there's three things that 1453 01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:47,910 particularly vertebrates have in common 1454 01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:50,850 that survived that extinction one is 1455 01:00:55,610 --> 01:00:53,490 they were all small nothing over 25 1456 01:01:00,280 --> 01:00:55,620 kilograms in mass as an adult got 1457 01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:00,290 through Wow secondly they all heard were 1458 01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:02,610 generalist feeders in other words they 1459 01:01:06,110 --> 01:01:04,530 weren't tied to a particular food source 1460 01:01:09,500 --> 01:01:06,120 i geti anything that was going around 1461 01:01:12,350 --> 01:01:09,510 and thirdly most of them had some 1462 01:01:14,630 --> 01:01:12,360 capacity to go into torpor when things 1463 01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:14,640 go bad so they could hibernate they 1464 01:01:20,690 --> 01:01:16,890 could go shut their systems down and 1465 01:01:24,530 --> 01:01:20,700 then wake up when things got better so 1466 01:01:26,510 --> 01:01:24,540 those three factors together allow just 1467 01:01:30,650 --> 01:01:26,520 enough of those particular groups to get 1468 01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:30,660 through whereas you know as a seven-ton 1469 01:01:35,390 --> 01:01:33,450 triceratops has got nowhere to hide it 1470 01:01:38,870 --> 01:01:35,400 needs a constant supply of food which 1471 01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:38,880 disappears you know it's a goner it's no 1472 01:01:45,170 --> 01:01:42,450 hope so yeah it's a fascinating 1473 01:01:47,810 --> 01:01:45,180 speculations how you survive an event 1474 01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:47,820 like that I'll by the way just reflect 1475 01:01:53,420 --> 01:01:51,210 on that 25 kilograms in mass and humans 1476 01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:53,430 are pretty much above that can eat 1477 01:01:57,680 --> 01:01:55,170 anything yeah we can eat anything you 1478 01:02:00,770 --> 01:01:57,690 know we could glue in Solomon's going to 1479 01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:00,780 tour patent that no not so you had two 1480 01:02:06,230 --> 01:02:02,970 strikes out of three I don't think would 1481 01:02:08,330 --> 01:02:06,240 survive an impact like that I would we 1482 01:02:10,070 --> 01:02:08,340 wanted that's another question who we 1483 01:02:11,690 --> 01:02:10,080 wanted maybe we could let the dinosaur's 1484 01:02:14,180 --> 01:02:11,700 cave go ahead but look on the bright 1485 01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:14,190 side no Justin Bieber well that there is 1486 01:02:17,510 --> 01:02:15,930 a good side to everything every cloud 1487 01:02:19,430 --> 01:02:17,520 has a silver lining I won't tell my 1488 01:02:22,130 --> 01:02:19,440 niece is that they're mad on Justin 1489 01:02:23,790 --> 01:02:22,140 Bieber folks this is the sort of things 1490 01:02:25,470 --> 01:02:23,800 that is an everyday occurrence 1491 01:02:26,850 --> 01:02:25,480 said the Royal Institute not impacts 1492 01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:26,860 hitting it or anything like that but 1493 01:02:31,950 --> 01:02:29,410 talking about it exploring it discussing 1494 01:02:33,210 --> 01:02:31,960 it investigating it and something dr. 1495 01:02:35,490 --> 01:02:33,220 Paul Willis has been doing for many 1496 01:02:38,310 --> 01:02:35,500 years not only on television but now 1497 01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:38,320 down at the Royal Institute Paul how can 1498 01:02:46,380 --> 01:02:40,210 people hook up with you check out our 1499 01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:46,390 website riaa us that's RI org dot au and 1500 01:02:51,750 --> 01:02:48,370 there's all sorts of things you can do 1501 01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:51,760 there particularly subscribe to our 1502 01:03:00,150 --> 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Paul Willis I hope one 1525 01:03:56,790 --> 01:03:54,370 day soon I can come down and we'll maybe 1526 01:03:58,500 --> 01:03:56,800 even get a personal tour you'll be most 1527 01:04:01,470 --> 01:03:58,510 welcome for a personal tour because I do 1528 01:04:05,130 --> 01:04:01,480 believe you owe me a beer at least one 1529 01:04:13,190 --> 01:04:05,140 dr. pol was haha thanks very much Cheers 1530 01:04:17,850 --> 01:04:16,020 hey guys this is jay from the skeptics 1531 01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:17,860 guide to the universe er well hold on 1532 01:04:22,410 --> 01:04:20,650 whoa everybody knows I'm the only reason 1533 01:04:23,580 --> 01:04:22,420 to listen to the Freak Show right I mean 1534 01:04:30,330 --> 01:04:23,590 if it was up to me the show would start 1535 01:04:32,250 --> 01:04:30,340 with this yeah boy well Rebecca would 1536 01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:32,260 hate that probably but I mean I'd rock 1537 01:04:34,980 --> 01:04:33,970 that listen to our show and you can 1538 01:04:36,660 --> 01:04:34,990 learn about cool stuff like a 1539 01:04:38,430 --> 01:04:36,670 technological singularity which is 1540 01:04:39,930 --> 01:04:38,440 someday when technology progresses so 1541 01:04:41,310 --> 01:04:39,940 fast that it would make the Industrial 1542 01:04:44,340 --> 01:04:41,320 Revolution look like a kid science 1543 01:05:02,040 --> 01:04:44,350 project anyway come check us out at WWDC 1544 01:05:06,610 --> 01:05:04,690 thank you for listening to the skeptic 1545 01:05:08,530 --> 01:05:06,620 zone and another thank you to those 1546 01:05:12,490 --> 01:05:08,540 people who contribute financially to the 1547 01:05:14,830 --> 01:05:12,500 skeptic zone even a dollar a week it's 1548 01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:14,840 fantastic so enough of people are 1549 01:05:18,070 --> 01:05:16,370 chipping a dollar a week it helps me 1550 01:05:20,290 --> 01:05:18,080 keep the show going and in fact just in 1551 01:05:23,230 --> 01:05:20,300 the last week I was able to buy another 1552 01:05:24,850 --> 01:05:23,240 one of our reporters travis roy travis 1553 01:05:27,190 --> 01:05:24,860 roy in new hampshire in the united 1554 01:05:29,500 --> 01:05:27,200 states i was able to buy him a lovely 1555 01:05:31,420 --> 01:05:29,510 little hand recorder so he can do some 1556 01:05:34,180 --> 01:05:31,430 more reports for the skeptic zone and 1557 01:05:37,540 --> 01:05:34,190 that's all due to the generosity of 1558 01:05:42,370 --> 01:05:37,550 listeners just like you for more details 1559 01:05:44,650 --> 01:05:42,380 visit WWF techzone TV but for now this 1560 01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:44,660 is Richard Saunders signing off from 1561 01:05:55,260 --> 01:05:51,050 Sydney Australia you've been listening 1562 01:05:59,950 --> 01:05:55,270 to the skeptic zone visit her website at 1563 01:06:11,800 --> 01:05:59,960 www skeptics on TV for comments contacts